Citizenship Application 2023

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Subzero
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Subzero » Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am

pizzapasta wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 5:34 pm
Mamu wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 3:54 pm
Hello everyone!
Applied 25.5.2021
I got decision 22.05.2023.
The decision is negative.

The Finnish Immigration Service does not grant the applicant Finnish citizenship because he has essentially neglected his public law payment obligations.
I had payment plan I am paying it manually every month.
They did not care about the payment plan.
How ever life is goin on. I applied to court and lawyer They must pay attention payment plan I have an I am working full time.

Hopefully I will get some good news from the court.
Before making the decision, did they give you the chance to clarify or give reasons why the payments were outstanding ? I mean did they ask you for supplemental data or anything like that ?
For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life



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Mamu
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Mamu » Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm

Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am
pizzapasta wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 5:34 pm
Mamu wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 3:54 pm
Hello everyone!
Applied 25.5.2021
I got decision 22.05.2023.
The decision is negative.

The Finnish Immigration Service does not grant the applicant Finnish citizenship because he has essentially neglected his public law payment obligations.
I had payment plan I am paying it manually every month.
They did not care about the payment plan.
How ever life is goin on. I applied to court and lawyer They must pay attention payment plan I have an I am working full time.

Hopefully I will get some good news from the court.
Before making the decision, did they give you the chance to clarify or give reasons why the payments were outstanding ? I mean did they ask you for supplemental data or anything like that ?
For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41

Auringon_kukka
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Auringon_kukka » Thu May 25, 2023 12:49 pm

Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm
Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am
pizzapasta wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 5:34 pm

For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
So sorry to hear, Mamu! Hopefully your appeal to the court will be successful.

BomjaraSedoi
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by BomjaraSedoi » Thu May 25, 2023 1:28 pm

Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm
Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am
pizzapasta wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 5:34 pm


Before making the decision, did they give you the chance to clarify or give reasons why the payments were outstanding ? I mean did they ask you for supplemental data or anything like that ?
For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41

1. So strange why MIGRI make negative decisions fo slowly and people needs to wait 2+ years? It's terrible...!!!

2.From the MIGRI's side it looks like ok, because they are made decision by the Law article.


I think you have a small chances, KELA it's a - Finnish " holy organization", but anyway you have to try. Because now court take for attention from the first: How debt is appear ? What is the reason ? If you gave wrong information to KELA in 17-18 years, court 100% give negative to you again... You have to be ready for strange questions from the court.
if you get money from KELA by giving wrong information or etc., and then YOU have contacted to KELA and you are made a plan it is one side, good chances...

But if KELA found from your case something and contact to you through few years, it could be a negative...

Anyway good luck...!!!

Edward35
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Edward35 » Thu May 25, 2023 1:34 pm

Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm
Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am
pizzapasta wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 5:34 pm


Before making the decision, did they give you the chance to clarify or give reasons why the payments were outstanding ? I mean did they ask you for supplemental data or anything like that ?
For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
Was it about student loan mate?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Mamu » Thu May 25, 2023 3:27 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 1:34 pm
Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm
Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am


For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
Was it about student loan mate?
Yes part of it students loan and unemployment benefits.

Subzero
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Subzero » Thu May 25, 2023 5:53 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 1:34 pm
Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm
Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:57 am


For me I don't have any grudge if one has fall short of any of the above.. But for an individual to wait 2 @#$% years before you tell him this..? That is wickedness... Manu has been on stage two for more than 8 months. The sonnrr the better so that people can plan their life
I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
Was it about student loan mate?
So I have student loan which I have arrangement with the bank that I pay every month. Will that affect my application..?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by browndude » Thu May 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm

I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
According to this,

https://migri.fi/maksujen-maksaminen

Maksujen maksaminen
Jotta voit saada Suomen kansalaisuuden, sinun on pitänyt maksaa

verot
sakot
sairaalamaksut
elatusmaksut
valtion takaaman opintolainan maksuerät.
Sinulla ei saa olla myöskään ulosotossa Kelan etuuksia.

Jos sinulla on maksuja maksamatta, arvioimme

kuinka isosta ja tärkeästä maksusta on kyse
oletko pyrkinyt maksamaan maksusi
oletko tehnyt esimerkiksi maksusuunnitelman ja noudattanut sitä.
Et voi välttämättä saada kansalaisuutta, jos olet laiminlyönyt maksujen maksamista.

You do have KELA payments in ulosotto but you said you have made a payment plan. So have you
been missing payments? In any case, if you still want to apply for citizenship, the best bet would
be to pay all your KELA payments first.
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by browndude » Thu May 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Subzero wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 5:53 pm
Edward35 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 1:34 pm
Mamu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 12:23 pm

I have kela debt overpayment made by kela 2017-18. They inform me that there was overpayment ,in that time I was unemployed. I ask them to for possible repayment and I made payment plan with Kela . it was 9000e and now I am less than 4000e.I am also working right now I was thinking that making a payment plan might be okey to became citizen. I was wrong about that.

That part is funny At this stage, the Finnish Immigration Service does not take a position on whether they are fulfilled
other conditions for granting citizenship. Although not for the applicant
can now be granted Finnish citizenship, he can later obtain Finnish citizenship with a new application, if all the conditions for naturalization are met or there are legal grounds for deviating from them.
Citizenship Act (359/2003, amended 974/2007 and 579/2011) § 3 subsection 1, § 13 subsection 1 and § 41
Was it about student loan mate?
So I have student loan which I have arrangement with the bank that I pay every month. Will that affect my application..?
If it is a normal bank loan which you have been paying regularly then this should not be an issue. Most people who get citizenship have loans of one sort or the other. The issue arises if you have loans which have not been paid or if you have taken monies which you are not entitiled to and have not paid them back.
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Edward35 » Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm

Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful

Subzero
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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Subzero » Fri May 26, 2023 2:14 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm
Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful
Relax my friend all good news is coming soon......

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Niia » Fri May 26, 2023 3:19 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm
Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful

Will add mine for some statistics as well, applied in 11.2021, now stage 2 for 3 weeks. Exhausting tbh😅

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Subzero » Fri May 26, 2023 4:45 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm
Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful
Edward which month and year did you apply..?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Edward35 » Fri May 26, 2023 5:17 pm

Subzero wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 4:45 pm
Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm
Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful
Edward which month and year did you apply..?
2021 March!! And you u?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2023

Post by Subzero » Fri May 26, 2023 6:32 pm

Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 5:17 pm
Subzero wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 4:45 pm
Edward35 wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:10 pm
Stage 2 in 1 week now , no request yet!!! Really stressful
Edward which month and year did you apply..?
2021 March!! And you u?
July 2021


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