Automated decision experience for Citizenship applications

[Uskomaton]

Hello everyone,

Since 2 May, automated decision is available for Citizenship applications which fulfil the criteria shared on https://migri.fi/en/implementation-deci ... itizenship

Is there anyone yet, who has gotten the citizenship application decision right after the submission on enterfinland.fi ?

Let's use this topic to exchange information and share experience.

[jonathan_09]

I know two persons who applied after 2 May. my workmate and my brother's friend.
My brother's friend received an automated decision today's morning. He said the decision came in less than 3min after submission.
He is Albanian by passport and have been living in Finland for 6 years. But my workmate (Ghanian by passport) applied on Friday (3 May) evening. and haven't received the decision yet. She came as a student and living here for 8 years including 5 years (B).

[Uskomaton]

I know two persons who applied after 2 May. my workmate and my brother's friend.
My brother's friend received an automated decision today's morning. He said the decision came in less than 3min after submission.
He is Albanian by passport and have been living in Finland for 6 years. But my workmate (Ghanian by passport) applied on Friday (3 May) evening. and haven't received the decision yet. She came as a student and living here for 8 years including 5 years (B).

Amazing! Thanks for sharing

[Aasinkinttu]

I know two persons who applied after 2 May. my workmate and my brother's friend.
My brother's friend received an automated decision today's morning. He said the decision came in less than 3min after submission.
He is Albanian by passport and have been living in Finland for 6 years. But my workmate (Ghanian by passport) applied on Friday (3 May) evening. and haven't received the decision yet. She came as a student and living here for 8 years including 5 years (B).

This is VERY interesting..

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

Just want to clarify: the DECISION came after 3min not the PROCESSING stage after 3min. (?)

Very curious to hear other experiences.
Thanks for sharing!

[FinlandGirl]

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

Just want to clarify: the DECISION came after 3min not the PROCESSING stage after 3min. (?)

It is about the decision.

Migri now grants citizenship automatically within minutes in the clear cases where all steps a human would do can be done automatically.

A human checking is still needed if there is for example a child included in the application or when there is some minor criminal offence.

[Uskomaton]

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

Just want to clarify: the DECISION came after 3min not the PROCESSING stage after 3min. (?)

It is about the decision.

Migri now grants citizenship automatically within minutes in the clear cases where all steps a human would do can be done automatically.

A human checking is still needed if there is for example a child included in the application or when there is some minor criminal offence.

By any chance, are you working for Migri? Your statements sound to be very precise and certain. You don’t have to disclose as well if the organisational policy does not allow. But, thank you.

[betelgeuse]

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

Just want to clarify: the DECISION came after 3min not the PROCESSING stage after 3min. (?)

It is about the decision.

Migri now grants citizenship automatically within minutes in the clear cases where all steps a human would do can be done automatically.

A human checking is still needed if there is for example a child included in the application or when there is some minor criminal offence.

By any chance, are you working for Migri? Your statements sound to be very precise and certain. You don’t have to disclose as well if the organisational policy does not allow. But, thank you.

How automated decisions are made is publicly documented so no insider knowledge is required.

https://migri.fi/en/implementation-deci ... itizenship

[riku2]

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

I think the people who applied in the last week of April will see it as more than "really bad". If they applied a few days later they might get a decision in 3 minutes, instead they will have to wait six months or more.

I don't understand why the algorithm can't be applied to existing applications. It would drastically cut down the manual processing needed which would surely save a lot of money.

[betelgeuse]

Cannot imagine how 3min decision after submission is possible, considering how long many are waiting. That automation sounds either really good or really bad

I think the people who applied in the last week of April will see it as more than "really bad". If they applied a few days later they might get a decision in 3 minutes, instead they will have to wait six months or more.

I don't understand why the algorithm can't be applied to existing applications. It would drastically cut down the manual processing needed which would surely save a lot of money.

I speculate that at the time of application Migri’s privacy policy said that no automated decision making will be used. It was probably deemed to be more effort to have a one time project for people in the queue than processing them manually.