Bible study this Sunday Sept. 10

tonypaxton · Post by **tonypaxton** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:30 pm

My wife and I are starting a Bible study on Sundays. We will have the first one this Sunday.
the Location is Leppävaaran asukaspuisto.

Address: Pikkulinnunreitti 16 Espoo

time: 11:30 - ??

everyone is invited!

**Sponsor:**

tonypaxton · Post by **tonypaxton** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:56 pm

The location is in a community park build in Leppävaara. There is some parking available.
There is a seperate room that moms can use with the babies.
You can find public transportation to there on http://www.ytv.fi/eng

mrjimsfc · Post by **mrjimsfc** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:47 pm

Am i missing something here? Why not just go to church? Get your Bible study and Finnish study at the same time.

tonypaxton · Post by **tonypaxton** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:57 pm

In time we will start a church here. But you have to start with something so this is what we are starting with.

mrjimsfc · Post by **mrjimsfc** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:03 pm

aahhh yes....the philosophies of man mingled with scripture. I'm outta here!!

mrjimsfc · Post by **mrjimsfc** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:08 pm

I'm sorry! It's not your fault that I'm such a terrible cynic.

ilikepeanutbutter · Post by **ilikepeanutbutter** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:50 pm

Too bad it's very far away from my house

If I may ask, what religious belief are you? Would the service be in Finnish?

Thanks!

Kat

tonypaxton · Post by **tonypaxton** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:44 pm

Christian...
Similar to Pentecostal.
If you are familiar with the Assemblies of God that would be a good comparison

superiorinferior · Post by **superiorinferior** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:47 pm

tonypaxton wrote:Christian...
Similar to Pentecostal.
If you are familiar with the Assemblies of God that would be a good comparison

According to Assemblies of God Online, the church has some pretty radical positions on contemporary issues:
Assemblies of God Online

On AIDS:

Though AIDS is not necessarily a direct judgment from God, as innocents are sometimes the victims of the sin of others, it remains a disastrous overarching consequence of sin through the fall of man (see Genesis 3).

Since the majority of HIV/AIDS in the U.S. is contracted through immoral sexual activity or drug abuse, we must realize that these diseases are usually consequences of the choices individuals make (see Galatians 6:7,8; Deuteronomy 30:15-19). God has made man with a freedom of choice but with this freedom comes awesome responsibilities and consequences that can affect one for good or bad all of one’s life.

On homosexuality:

Homosexual behavior is sin because it is disobedient to scriptural teachings.

On feminism:
We must be careful to say that the Assemblies of God does not endorse the radical feminist political/social agenda which claims to defend the best interests of all women. The goals of these groups are deceptive: a woman’s right to choice is twisted to support the atrocity of abortion; lifestyles outside of traditional family structures become a warped emphasis on lesbian rights; a woman’s right to a career becomes an aggressive degradation to women and mothers who do not choose a job outside their homes. Radical feminists cite religion as a tool of oppressors. These agendas become an organized platform to degrade, bash, and hate men. The Bible teaches mutual Christian submission and respect.
On dancing:

In the face of this moral erosion the church calls all Christian adults and parents to abstain from social dancing for themselves and their children in light of God’s desire for His people to be a separate and holy people (2 Cor. 6:16-18, Titus 2:11-14, 2 Tim. 2:21-22).

On abortion:

The Assemblies of God views the practice of abortion as an evil that has been inflicted upon millions of innocent babies and that will threaten millions more in the years to come. Abortion is a morally unacceptable alternative for birth control, population control, sex selection, and elimination of the physically and mentally handicapped. Certain parts of the world are already experiencing serious population imbalances as a result of the systematic abortion of female babies. The advocacy and practice of so-called partial birth abortion of babies is particularly heinous.

On euthanasia:
Our firm belief in the sanctity of human life is put to the supreme test in situations where the life of elderly or comatose patients is sustained by artificial procedures developed through medical science and technology. But we can find no scriptural support for euthanasia (sometimes called mercy-killing). The intentional killing of human life by deliberate act or omission runs contrary to a belief that human life is sacred because it has been created and given by God himself.

Are these positions consistent with your planned church?

tonypaxton · Post by **tonypaxton** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:21 pm

According to Assemblies of God Online, the church has some pretty radical positions on contemporary issues:

Personally I have opinions on those topics as I am sure many people do. However the Church that we are starting will stay more focused on teaching from the Bible. Subjects that are written about in the Bible.

I was more referring to some basic beliefs that the AG has for example:

Assemblies of God
WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

Mattlill2000 · Post by **Mattlill2000** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:33 pm

Could you please answer Superior/Inferiors question. I am really interested in your viewpoint on these topics.

kalmisto · Post by **kalmisto** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:21 pm

tonypaxton wrote:In time we will start a church here. But you have to start with something so this is what we are starting with.

Why start a new church? Anything wrong with this church? :
http://www.eicf.com/

Paul_D · Post by **Paul_D** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:08 pm

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God

Well, how would you explain that they contains mistakes here and there, if they are "inspired by God"? Does your god do mistakes from time to time, for fun?

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

So, the son and the father are the same person. Wahou, that's spooky. And where is the holy spirit? Is it material or immaterial?

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

Well, do you believe in the Deity of other gods? I mean, do you consider the other religions on the same level as yours?

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

Wait, if god has created the human, and if god is good, why didn't he make the human good, too? Is your god cynical, cruel or clumsy? By making the human imperfect, wasn't he putting *evil* in it?

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

Well, believe me, you don't have sin when you don't believe in god, and that makes life easier. No such thing as "sin" for me, no need to be washed or saved. I have values, I can blame myself sometimes for having stepped out of my values, but I don't think "oh la la, I made a sin, I gonna go in hell ! Gee!", I rather think "Damn, I should not have done this, or not like that, I'll try to do better next time".

tonypaxton wrote:WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin.

Don't seek me, please. What you view as a sin, I call it part of life.

tonypaxton wrote:We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

That's cryptic, can you arrange the sauce, and serve the dish again? Yet, it reminds me the famous sentence "Jesus Christ had predicted the arrival of the kingdom of God on Earth, and instead, it's the Religion that came."

/Paul

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:25 pm

kalmisto wrote: Why start a new church? Anything wrong with this church? :
http://www.eicf.com/

They are probably heretics and if you listen to them God will throw a hot stone onto your head.

sammy · Post by **sammy** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:30 pm

This is a good example of stone throwing... a bit of classic comedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3eI-RRBUyY

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