Stupid UVI decision - be carefull

[adincluj]

Hi,
At UVI and police in Finland are working really stupid people.
After 4 months the police&UVI gave me the decision that I didn't apply correctly. I apply at police station here in Finland for my first residence and work permit and they refuse the permit because I should apply in my home country, even if the police took my application and the passport saying that everything is OK to apply here in Finland.

So they needed 4 moths to say that I haven't apply correctly.
Who keep those fool people there at UVI. For what money??

I'm very sad, now I have to leave the country as an illegal because I stayed more that 3 month, what is legal. They took my passport and don't want to give me back, only at the customs at airport when I will leave Finland in max. 2 weeks.

Very stupid institution, or people there. It's like in a communist country.

Shame for them, for UVI!!

[sy]

You should be able to apply for the first residence permit in Finland. The Aliens Act Section 49 says:

Issuing first fixed-term residence permits to aliens who have entered the country without residence permits

(1) An alien who has entered the country without a residence permit is issued with a temporary or continuous residence permit in Finland if the requirements for issuing such a residence permit abroad are met, and if:... 3) refusing a residence permit for an employed or self-employed person applied for in Finland would be unfounded from the alien’s or employer’s point of view; ...

(2) A temporary or continuous residence permit is issued on the same grounds as an equivalent permit applied for abroad.

What's the Section numbers of the Aliens Act they gave you as the grounds for refusing your application?

Your stay after 3 months is still legal but without a permit, because you have submitted a residence permit application, but you didn't get one.

[adincluj]

Thanks' for answer,

I said them the same thing, I read the law at UVI - this is the law based on which they refuse the permit, and there answer was very stupid:
"We apply only the law"
even if I read the law and I gave them examples where they issue the permit for people applying from Finland.
I told the that is a stupid decision and they told me to make an appeal at the court - who has those money to fight with this state in state communist institution.

And the police doesn't want to give me the passport back.
They ask me if I leave the Finland or the have to force me.

Really crazy situation.

I'm very sad that can exist this kind of people.

[sh_a]

Call your local ombudsman immediately.

[network_engineer]

Hi all,

adincluj: Sy is correct in what he says. As far as I understand, they must offer you appeal instructions along with with the decision.

You could contact Daryl (privately messaging him on the forum might be a possibility) directly and immediately and file an administrative appeal. He is the best on issues pertaining to these.

BTW, you don't have to pay much for appealing a decision. If I remember correctly, the cost is about 80 EUR for the decision itself. I might imagine that most people would appeal this kind of decisions.

There are some aspects of your situation that I (in my lame understanding) do not understand, e.g. not returning your passport. But then, I am not an expert in this area.

I am not sure of this, and Daryl can advise you on this better, but looks like you can also file a complaint with the Attorney General or the Parliamentary Ombudsman about the behaviour of the officials.

Kind regards.

[foreigner]

1) File an appeal administrative appeal.
2) You have right to stay in Finland until the decision of that appeal is pending .
3) This will give you enough time to think how to deal with the situation in worst-case-decision.

This is to the best of my knowledge. Others, please correct if wrong.

Keeping your passport to themself somehow looks illegal, so you will have to find this one out. Good luck!

[odon]

[quote="adincluj"]Hi,
At UVI and police in Finland are working really stupid people.
After 4 months the police&UVI gave me the decision that I didn't apply correctly. I apply at police station here in Finland for my first residence and work permit and they refuse the permit because I should apply in my home country, even if the police took my application and the passport saying that everything is OK to apply here in Finland.

So they needed 4 moths to say that I haven't apply correctly.
Who keep those fool people there at UVI. For what money??

I [/quote]


hey this is the same thing, which happened to me with my first work permit and residence, i got turned down and told before i was to go for my holidays, to put the application in my home country...so i appealed, in writting as soon as i got the decision why it was wrong, and after that went on holiday, then got a free lawyer to represent me, ....they reviewed the decision, but during this time i worked, as my work permit was approved by the labour office....and the visa came after 8 months!!

so i agree with foreighner...do what he says 1,2,3.

[odon]

i was a student and then a worker, why are they giving u the passport at airport....?? did u come here as a tourist or something and then got your status or situation changed....!!? this is also important to mention....then we will understand your problem.

goodluck

[adincluj]

Thanks for all yours reply,
I came in Finland as a tourist, I have the right to stay here 3 months.
I don't know why the police doesn't want to give me back the passport, I was to offended by the result and by being enforced to leave Finland very soon, to ask any more questions at the police.
Actually the police keep my paper for one month after UVI decision without telling me, and now in max 2 weeks I have to leave the country enforced.
I called at UVI every second week or weekly, I was waithing a decision or to go home, new email, phones with more questions and finally that I haven't apply correctly. Really crazy people.
And the police didn't want to tell me anything about the refusal in the last month even if they had the poapers. I called 3 times I was there at the office and nothing, they didn't want to tell me nothing, they lie that they don't know, the papers are up they said. I had to urge them that I want to leave the country because I don't have any money to live here and very, very difficult I found the guy where my papers where stuck.
I feel like a sh..t now.

How I can stay here with my work permit only and to work? How I will get registerd and to pay taxes?? How I get a back account for salary??

The labour affice gave me in 2 days the rigth to work here.

Thanks!

[Hank W.]

As "Foreigner" says appeal to the Administrative Court - there is the procedure explained in the decision supposedly. But you might need someone to help you out to write it. How is your employer reacting? Did you already have a signed contract with your employer when making the application??? Sounds... hrm... like UVI... (and now they're making all these fine political speeches about needing to attract workers )

[adincluj]

I don't think it was contract.
It was that paper about work needed for UVI, with place, salary.
They didn't gave me back those papers.
The employer still want me, he will do new paper if I want, he is also stupefied about that decision , I don't know what to say more.

[Hank W.]

I am guessing that you applied in Helsinki? "Too many foreigners" it seems again, as I've heard people even doing an EU residence declaration tell the Malmi police is getting totallybalmy. And UVI should IMHO should just be a rubber stamp as if the Ministry of Labour supposedly decides if the worker is needed or not. Hrmpf. Doesn't help you much adincluj, but the application process times used to be really silly a few years back, but there is a political wrangle going on, and not enough resources, and they see the problem as "people clogging the system" rather than "need a more streamlined process". I wish I'd know some journalist... Odon, didn't you know one? - who could write an "exemplary" article how "workers are attracted to Finland" and show these hypocrite politicians *where* the problems lie. Another problem lies with some employers, but even I'm starting to tell people to avoid GHA for applications... it is starting to be clogged anything you apply or try to do.

Then again its not that much better in the boonies where they think a "foreigner" is someone from Turku.

(If you wonder what my rant about politicians is about its this article.)

[adincluj]

Hi,
I applied in Espoo, Kilo police.
I would call tomorrow back to the police but I don't know what to tell them why they keep my passport. Why they can't keep it.
I'm also more nervous now because one of my friend translate one of the papers that I had to sign at the police. Is the paper that keep place of y passport. On that paper said that I haven't inform the police about my staying in Finland so long?
I don't know what to say. So they keep my passport 4 month and they don't know that I'm here waithing for answer. So they expulsed me now. They are doing what they want with imigrants.
I have the work permit for 1 year.

[Hank W.]

OK, so now I don't understand?

- The police have your passport? And been holiding it all the time?
- The UVI declined your application for a workers residence permit "wrongly applied" - and you got the decision at the police station?
- So one thing is how can you "have a work permit", because there is no such thing any more as a "work permit" - You have some papers obviously but I wonder what it is then the police are messing about?

[adincluj]

The work permit was given by Labour office for 1 year. They gave it in 2 days.
The residence permit was refused. It wasn't allow me to live in Finland because I didn't apply correctly, they say after 4 months. I should had apply in my country. Now the police said that I didn't inform them about my stay in Finland.
Crazzzzzyyyy people!! Really communist country and is in EU, shame.