SUPO's stand affected the residence permit decision too much

[sy]

This is related to the other thread.

Administration Courts have returned 5 negative decisions concerning citizenship or residence permit applications back to UVI for reprocessing. According to the courts, UVI has put too much weight on SUPO's statement.

UVI has requested the leave to appeal to the Supreme Administrative Court.

From HS:

Hallinto-oikeuksien mukaan Ulkomaalaisvirasto (Uvi) on antanut kansalaisuus- ja oleskelulupapäätöksissään liian suuren painoarvon suojelupoliisin lausunnoille. Niissä Supo arvioi ulkomaalaisten ihmisten mahdollista uhkaa valtion turvallisuudelle ja yleiselle järjestykselle.


Hallinto-oikeudet ovat kumonneet runsaan puolen vuoden aikana viisi sellaista Ulkomaalaisviraston kielteistä kansalaisuus- tai oleskelulupapäätöstä, jotka Uvi on tehnyt suojelupoliisin lausuntojen perusteella.

Suojelupoliisi kertoi lausunnoissaan, että afgaani, pakistanilainen, somali ja kaksi iranilaista uhkaavat valtion turvallisuutta tai yleistä järjestystä.

Tuomioistuimet palauttivat päätökset Uvin uudelleen käsiteltäviksi.

Ulkomaalaisviraston mukaan hallinto-oikeuksien ratkaisut merkitsevät muutosta vakiintuneeseen hallintokäytäntöön, mitä virasto ei pidä perusteltuna. Se on hakenut ratkaisuihin valitusoikeutta korkeimmalta hallinto-oikeudelta.


Ulkomaalaisviraston mielestä suojelupoliisi on kansallisen turvallisuuden asiantuntija ja siksi Uvi on tehnyt kielteisen päätöksen aina, kun Supo on pitänyt jotain ihmistä vaarallisena tai uhkana valtion turvallisuudelle.

Uvilla ei ole samoja tietoja käytössään kuin Supolla.

Supo ei lausunnoissaan kerro, mihin tietoihin turvallisuusarviot perustuvat. "Suojelupoliisin toiminnalle tietojen julkistaminen aiheuttaisi varmasti suuria vaikeuksia, jos ulkomaalaisen tiedettäisiin kuuluvan esimerkiksi terroristijärjestöön ja tieto olisi saatu ulkomaiselta tiedustelupalvelulta", Ulkomaalaisviraston ylijohtaja Jorma Vuorio sanoo.

Myöskään päätöksen kohteena olevat ulkomaalaiset eivät ole saaneet tietää, mihin Supon näkemys heidän vaarallisuudestaan on perustunut.

[JimmyBang]

in simple english?...

[enk]

SUPO says no, the person is a threat and UVI has to believe them and
now different authorities are lobbing the ball of responsibility back and
forth because UVI doesn't have the info at its disposal that SUPO has
so they have no idea why SUPO says the person is a threat.

Better?

-enk

[otyikondo]

Is this simple enough?

Courts say immigration officials give too much weight to statements by Security Police

If not, I believe there's a Simple English Wikipedia. Sooner or later someone will write a Wiki on this.

[Hank W.]

Because you are a witch, you will not confess.
Because you will not confess, you are a witch.

[enk]

Because you are a witch, you will not confess.
Because you will not confess, you are a witch.

Nonono, if you sink and drown when we throw you in the water, you're
not a witch, but if you float, we'll fish you out and burn you at the stake
because you're a witch.

-enk

[otyikondo]

Al-Salam, Salem.

[JimmyBang]

Is this a neutral country or neuter country?

[Hank W.]

Well, as you know by the law the "means of committing the crime" are confiscated by the state. So males come here after Finnish women, if deported, will be...

[Karhunkoski]

This is related to the other thread.

Ah yes, the other thread, wasn't that the one where the original poster signed up for 5 different forum accounts and then proceeded to use them to support his own post?


How honest

[enk]

Is this a neutral country or neuter country?

Neutered.

-enk

[haahatus]

This is related to the other thread.

Ah yes, the other thread, wasn't that the one where the original poster signed up for 5 different forum accounts and then proceeded to use them to support his own post?


How honest

I think I have seen the person irl. If the posts even came exactly from him and not from someone else. Even walking he looks very angry and very disgusted. So maybe this whole issue has affected him alot in some ways

[sy]

This is related to the other thread.

Ah yes, the other thread, wasn't that the one where the original poster signed up for 5 different forum accounts and then proceeded to use them to support his own post?


How honest

I think I have seen the person irl. If the posts even came exactly from him and not from someone else. Even walking he looks very angry and very disgusted. So maybe this whole issue has affected him alot in some ways

Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me?

I just read that thread, and then read the news from HS, and then I thought it would also interest to other forum members. But I found that thread was locked, so I decided to start a new thread, and put a link to the old thread for others' convenience. I myself had nothing to do with the other thread.

Obviously in these cases there is a conflict between the administrative procedure (applicant's right to know the reason behind an administrative decision) and SUPO's duty. It'll be interesting to see how the Supreme Administrative Court will make a decision on this issue.

[Karhunkoski]

I think most of us on here agree that if there have been any underhand actions by the authorities, that these should be exposed.

Let fair play reign for all!

[Karibu]

I would be interested of Daryl's view of this matter. I can understand the need to keep criminals, etc. out, but also I recall that by law you are entitled to explanation of rejection. It may not be enough if the explanation is "You are threat to nation safety". As a democratic country, there should not be vague "national security" reasons without specific reasons, like US tends to do. Check Bruce Schneier blog about such things, especially topic Faulty Data and the Arar Case.