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Make
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Oil Heating

Post by Make » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:36 pm

Hi,

Quick question, we just bought a house in Tampere and have oil heating, the tank is practically empty.
Which company do I call to refill?

Thanks!


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Post by Nallis » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:16 pm

Esso, Neste, St1, Shell, Teboil. pick one.
See this for contact information http://www.oil.fi/index.php?m=7&id=373&sm=42&m=7. That doesn't include St1 but here http://www.st1.fi/resellers_fi.php you can find your local retailer.

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Post by Matula » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:15 pm

Oil heating? :( I'd change it immediately.

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Post by raamv » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:24 pm

:shock:
Did you have the boiler checked lately before buying the house?
Did you ask the previous owner how much it costs to heat and how much oil is consumed?
Also, check what matula says...
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Post by Make » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:27 pm

Matula wrote:Oil heating? :( I'd change it immediately.
What would you change it to?
raamv wrote: Did you ask the previous owner how much it costs to heat and how much oil is consumed?
Yes, we've asked these questions and no, it seems not the cheapest solution. (just found it's about 0,57ct per liter.)

For now I'd just like to have some oil instead of the electricity heating which it will be using when the oil is finished. And a wild guess is that that's even more expensive. :roll:

Thanks for the links Nallis, that's exactly what I needed.
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Post by Rosamunda » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:53 pm

Our house has oil heating. We have found it to be efficient, no complaints. OK, if I were building a house I would not install oil heating and if/when our boiler goes belly up we will switch to geo-thermic heat pumps. The payback on a conversion like that would be at least 8 years so.... we are not in a hurry to do it. But we will do eventually..... unless some bio-heating fuel gets invented along with a zero tax rate.....

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Post by Mattlill2000 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:02 pm

I wouldn't change the oil heater if its working properly and when you have to change, I think electricity would be a worser option. If you do run out of oil you may have to bleed the the oil pump to get it going again.

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Post by zax » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:40 pm

During the winter we had issues with our heating system, basically it decided to use electricity instead of oil. The electricity bill for that period was rather eye-watering. Buy some oil is my advice, but do ring around and check prices because they can vary quite a bit. Remember also to ask also about delivery charges, they can change depending on amount delivered, location, urgency of the delivery and phase of the moon :-)

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Post by SaxonManFinland » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:29 pm

Bought a house 3 years ago. OIL Heating, old duel fuel boiler plus outside underground tamk.

Had tamk checked out, leaking.....!!!!!

Advised previouse owners who paid 1000€ towards new indoor tanks (Cheaper oil)

Changed old boiler for new single fuel one at the same time. Cost me 5K..............NEVER BEEN HAPPIER !!

Last 12 months total oil bill for a 24/7 constant 22C plus limitless hotwater has come under 2500 lts. Our house is 180 sq meters, and I consider that amazing, good value and great comfort. In this weather for full heating and constant hot water 1400€ P:A is bloody good value.

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Post by Rosamunda » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:39 pm

Yes. In France with natural gas and electricity (and lower VAT) we were paying as much as we pay here for heat and hot water. The difference being that the outside temperature rarely dropped below zero in Paris and our house was smaller than this one. Finnish homes are well-insulated and keeping an even temperature all through winter is more economical than the Brit way of turning the central heating off and on every other day (which is what my mum and dad do thinking they are saving money). So the math is easy.

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Post by DMC » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:06 pm

> So the math is easy.

The math may be easy but you still got the physics wrong :o
The rate of heat loss is proportional to the temperature difference between the inside and the outside. Letting the house cool down when you don't need the heat lowers the rate of heat loss compared to keeping it at normal temperature. If that is hard to grasp, think of an extreme case - like a winter vacation. Do you really think it is as economic to keep the house at full temperature while you are away?
The amount of savings you can obtain by having periods of lower temperatures is reduced if the house is well insulated, but there will still be a saving.

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Re:

Post by pjaborges » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:54 pm

Nallis wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:16 pm
Esso, Neste, St1, Shell, Teboil. pick one.
See this for contact information http://www.oil.fi/index.php?m=7&id=373&sm=42&m=7. That doesn't include St1 but here http://www.st1.fi/resellers_fi.php you can find your local retailer.
Hi!

These links are not working anymore.
Does anyone know where I can find similar information?

Thank you!

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Re: Oil Heating

Post by pjaborges » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:28 am

Hello,

I just bought a house that uses oil as a means for heating. However, I am
quite newbie on this matter and while reading about it seems that water
bills can be quite expensive plus the cost of oil.

I don't know how the system works, but to have such higher water bills it
seems that there must be a constant flow of cold water entering into the
boiler. So my question is where does the water goes after running through
the heating radiators/pipes?
For such high water bills, it seems that the system works with a water tap
constantly open. That is economically and environmentally insanity!

In case my above assumptions are true, I am wondering if it is possible to
adapt the system to a close circuit using something similar to this:

https://www.netrauta.fi/lamminvesivaraa ... yEQAvD_BwE

Too many assumptions from my side! So, if someone could give me some hints
or point me to where I can get information on how the system works it will
be great!

Thank you!

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Re: Re:

Post by FinnGuyHelsinki » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:10 pm

pjaborges wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:54 pm
Nallis wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:16 pm
Esso, Neste, St1, Shell, Teboil. pick one.
See this for contact information http://www.oil.fi/index.php?m=7&id=373&sm=42&m=7. That doesn't include St1 but here http://www.st1.fi/resellers_fi.php you can find your local retailer.
Hi!

These links are not working anymore.
Does anyone know where I can find similar information?

Thank you!
https://www.google.com/search?q=lämmitysöljy

FinnGuyHelsinki
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Re: Oil Heating

Post by FinnGuyHelsinki » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:31 pm

pjaborges wrote:
Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:28 am
Hello,

I just bought a house that uses oil as a means for heating. However, I am
quite newbie on this matter and while reading about it seems that water
bills can be quite expensive plus the cost of oil.

I don't know how the system works, but to have such higher water bills it
seems that there must be a constant flow of cold water entering into the
boiler. So my question is where does the water goes after running through
the heating radiators/pipes?
For such high water bills, it seems that the system works with a water tap
constantly open. That is economically and environmentally insanity!

In case my above assumptions are true, I am wondering if it is possible to
adapt the system to a close circuit using something similar to this:

https://www.netrauta.fi/lamminvesivaraa ... yEQAvD_BwE

Too many assumptions from my side! So, if someone could give me some hints
or point me to where I can get information on how the system works it will
be great!

Thank you!
The water used for heating runs in a closed loop (unless there is a leak in the system, or some dimwit has done their own DIY installations). Water used for e.g. showering obviously ends up in the sewer. Usually water consumption in households falls between 50 and 150 liters per day per person. Showering, washing clothes, watering the lawn,... often does add up. The water bill should clearly state how much water you are using, check that and do some calculations, if needed.

Lämminvesivaraaja is a container for heated water, acting as a buffer so that one doesn't immediately run out of warm water when momentarily more is being used than what the heater can heat up.
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