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Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:19 pm

Try telling S-Market you will never shop there again, nor in any other S-Market. Tell them you will go to Lidl from now on because they offer free parking and no disc required.

They don't care.... but a "controlled" rant might help your anger managament.

(BTW in case you hadn't figured it out, the disc is to stop suburbanites like myself parking in Lauttsaari for free all day and taking the bus into the town centre. The Iso Omena car parks also require a disc or they have flashing lights to indicate you have over-stayed your welcome)

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raamv · Post by **raamv** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:22 pm

hmmm Helps to learn Finnish in this case!!!
The parking law is not valid for private parking..
So you are bound by the terms and conditions of the owners of the private parking space!!

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:04 am

there re lots of things that seem to be nonsense for a foreigner in Finland,,,thats why it helps to learn Finnish..as in learning the culture..why things re the way they re..n then the language..
otherwise..pay the Euro Fine n dont whine!!

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:06 am

Well..u can whine here but prepare for the flames..
better yet whine at T&S n mebbe a better chance of getting less flames

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:14 am

ronbladholm wrote:(and btw Finnish is no problem for me for the most part

In that case, you might want to read the discussions about ParkCom in the sfnet.keskustelu.laki newsgroup.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:07 am

raamv wrote: The parking law is not valid for private parking..

Are you sure? If someone is parked on your property illegally you can call the "ladies in red" out to give them a parking ticket. In this case the city gets the money - which would be 40 Euros

Nallis · Post by **Nallis** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:20 am

Mook wrote:
raamv wrote: The parking law is not valid for private parking..
Are you sure? If someone is parked on your property illegally you can call the "ladies in red" out to give them a parking ticket. In this case the city gets the money - which would be 40 Euros

Mook - you're quite right. But Raamv is also right: what he means is that private firms may not issue the tickets, whereas the lady in red can.

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:24 am

ronbladholm wrote:It sure looks like this PatkCom is some kind of private 'Gestapo and NKVD combined' and has raised the ire of many with even the official law enforcement agencies investigating them.

However, no-one has yet had the balls to walk them through the court system... Whatever cases there have been in district court, have been ruled in favor of ParkCom, as the respondent either didn’t appear before the court or decided to settle the case.

(As you can see from that story and the related articles linked below it, various people in various positions are already calling for clearer rules and new laws concerning these private parking inspector companies, but such developments will not happen overnight.)

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:39 am

RaamV is more right than you think.

a) whining does not help
b) you pay
c) if you don't pay you cry and pay but you pay

40 euro ticket + court = 1200 euros.

Welcome to Finland

(not that it is right)

mCowboy · Post by **mCowboy** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:42 am

Parking is relatively cheap in Helsinki area, you can park anywhere fro €40, even if there's no parking places available. And you don't even need to have cash with you when you do it, they'll bill you later. I remember when parking in London (in 2001) that was £14 for a couple of hours, so in that respect it's cheap to park here...

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:56 pm

ronbladholm wrote:So as said discussing something here and what might be solutions is not whining.

where's your redress?? Now which solution did you offer that could solve this problem in a forum like this?

and if you start with the constitutional right to bear arms etc...Then you got to face the bullets here too...and yes..Even Americans cannot escape Finnish law in Finland ..and Finns cannot escape US laws when there....and so your point about Blackwater is? ( Mebbe there is a revolution going on somewhere..so lets start one here??)

I mean if you cannot stand an arguement, then why instigate one?

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:59 pm

And ParkCom can't drag everyone into court on one suit - so how are they going to NET 40 Euros because NO court is going to award them full costs.

I don't know, but why don't you try and tell us how it went.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:00 pm

Whining vs. constructive criticism vs. doing something about it. Theres a slight difference.

Whining is that you are not in the position to do anything, you have no relevant solutions, and you're just venting. Calling them fascists. So, unless you can help the situation, its useless whining.

If you have a legal recourse, can take the damages, then go to court. Thats doing something. Complaining then if you get with 1200 euro bill its useless whining. Don't play if your ass can't take it.

The whine-programme in TV was "Karpolla on Asiaa". Not much solutions, but people could publicly whine. One of the reasons I stopped watching tv.

Complaining at S-market who complains to the landlord... well, whats the option. Either the parking area is controlled or the Espoo yuppies leave their SUV's there. 50/60 chance.

And yes, back in the Kekkoslovakian times we didn't have private operators like this. So, you wanted to get out of Kekkoslovakia you got to eat the pulla and not just pick the raisins.

So, either you learn how to park or go to court, but there is no reason to whine. "Theres other people who have been ticketed so what makes you any more special to warrant attention?" *that* is the Finnish refrain

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:17 pm

Well, the question is "can"... apparently.

Now the thing is as with those fake bill scams. Knowing Finns, they pay their bills. So if say you ticket 100 cars and 50% of them pay... thats still 2K

As the newspapers report its up in the courts. The interesting article is about the one about the courthouse parking lot. Which is a public place as per law so a private operator can't... errr... as you can see the jury is out on this one still.

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:20 pm

ronbladholm wrote: And from what I saw on one forum suggested here - it should be obligatory for >ParkCom to find the READER of that sign and prove it was that person

Parkcom is a company and can afford the luxury of you proving who you are rather than the opposite...which is like in many businesses in Finland.. (e.g. A Plumber can send you a bill worth 100 Euros to you for "fixing" your pipe and if you dont pay..they can send you another for 1200..Whether that happened or not..is not discussed...is it..till you start disputing it..and If YOU have a dispute..there is always the ombudsman..and in which case YOU can take some action )..
but you Didnt ask for any alternatives , instead just posted a thread accusing Parkcom of being facists...and so face the "Whine"...

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