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Where are the film buffs?

Post by dhcjrew » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:59 am

Any film societies around here? I'm dying to talk film with other film buffs or filmmakers. I have a BA from the University of California, San Diego in Visual Arts: Media and am slowly losing my edumacation on the history and theories.

I have a few projects I'd like to shoot, but it's been a difficult networking journey for me so far. Those of you who have any experiences or are knowledgeable in the field, let's collaborate on something.

I have a DVX100A and some light grip/electric gear (mostly expendables). I run Video Vegas 7.0 on this crappy PC, but I also have AVID Xpress HD for the more high-end machines (left that back in the states :( ) As for lighting... we'll do our best with whatever our budget will be. It seems summer is the prime season for shooting... you can't beat the countless hours of natural sunlight.

As Jean-Pierre Gorin said in his interview with Criterion Collection on his film collaboration with Jean-Luc Godard in Tout Va Bien, "... the less means we had, the more inventive we would get..."



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Post by Hank W. » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:02 pm

You need to look through these and then find the festivals and such. The elokuva-arkisto for one screens "old stuff". ;)
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Re: Where are the film buffs?

Post by COBHC » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:14 pm

dhcjrew wrote: I have a few projects I'd like to shoot,
What kind of projects? i'm interested in film and how it's made but i have no education in it.

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Post by dhcjrew » Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:10 pm

Hank W. wrote:You need to look through these and then find the festivals and such. The elokuva-arkisto for one screens "old stuff". ;)
THanks, been to that site before, but forgot to bookmark.
COBHC wrote: What kind of projects? i'm interested in film and how it's made but i have no education in it.
In short (and no pun intended), I am gearing up to shoot a short drama piece. I have a list of shorts, features, documentaries, etc. that are waiting to be worked on, but it's difficult when you don't have a like-minded person to bounce the ideas around with. I'll tell you one thing though, I'm strictly anti-Hollywood and the likes. That's not to say I'm all artsy-fartsy either.

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Post by COBHC » Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:16 pm

there is nothing wrong with being "artsy fartsy". i can understand why you're anti hollywood though (even though i like alot of blockbusters) Since i'm guessing you're american are these shorts in english or do you know finnish?

Do you intend to shoot in Finland?

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Post by ScubaGirl » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:09 pm

I consider myself a movie buff. Tennispalatsi has been like a second home to me ever since it opened :lol: . Even now with a young daughter, I have a babysitter come so I can see a movie at least once a week, sometimes twice. I'm not anti-hollywood though, I'm just anti anything with a bad script, bad acting, etc... A lot of good films come out of Hollywood, and yes so does a lot of garbage. Some of my fav films come from Tim Burton, The Coen Brothers, Martin Scorsese, Baz Luhrmann, Quentin Tarantino, Peter Jackson (been a fan long before he did LOTR), Kevin Smith, etc...

I love all genres as long as it's well acted and has a good plot. It's always been a dream of mine to score films. 8)
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Post by COBHC » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:00 am

kevin smith is my favourite director :D

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:50 am

COBHC wrote:there is nothing wrong with being "artsy fartsy".
As long as your audience has enough LSD :lol:
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Post by Jazqas » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:31 am

ScubaGirl wrote: Peter Jackson (been a fan long before he did LOTR),
Me too, I just loved the exploding sheep in "Bad Taste".

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Post by dhcjrew » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:56 am

COBHC wrote:there is nothing wrong with being "artsy fartsy". i can understand why you're anti hollywood though (even though i like alot of blockbusters) Since i'm guessing you're american are these shorts in english or do you know finnish?

Do you intend to shoot in Finland?
yes, i do intend to shoot in Finland. I have re-written the short to coincide with the location. I haven't quite decided on the actual language to use, but I'm leaning toward Finnish.

Well, I don't mean it literally when I say "anti-Hollywood"... but I'm sure you understand the nature of the films that are being produced in the major studios there.

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Post by dhcjrew » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:39 am

ScubaGirl wrote:I consider myself a movie buff. Tennispalatsi has been like a second home to me ever since it opened :lol: . Even now with a young daughter, I have a babysitter come so I can see a movie at least once a week, sometimes twice. I'm not anti-hollywood though, I'm just anti anything with a bad script, bad acting, etc... A lot of good films come out of Hollywood, and yes so does a lot of garbage. Some of my fav films come from Tim Burton, The Coen Brothers, Martin Scorsese, Baz Luhrmann, Quentin Tarantino, Peter Jackson (been a fan long before he did LOTR), Kevin Smith, etc...

I love all genres as long as it's well acted and has a good plot. It's always been a dream of mine to score films. 8)
Not to offend you, but you lie within the majority of the audiences. Now, I've been labeled elitist or having an elitist attitude when it comes to films, but take this analogy for thought. If you're a connoisseur to fine wines, you'd be able to construct a greater range of opinions because you know a bit more about wine and the process of making it (which grapes, how its mixed, climate they were produced in, how they were aged, barrel's wood-type used, etc.). On the otherhand, you have the greater population who aren't well versed in fine wines and can't distinguish the great wine from the mediocre wine (like me, or maybe because I'm cheap).

Another food analogy that I've been made aware of is also about restaurants. When you are hungry, you choose where you want to go.
A) Fast Food or something quick just to satisfy your hunger (Most Hollywood films, bad films)
or
B) 5-Star restaurant where you're pampered to your needs (Great films)

In this respect, when you watch a film like Masculin, Féminin, I'm sure most viewers would think Jean-Luc Godard was a boring filmmaker. Most audiences go for the quick fix entertainment, and not really exploring the film-- just like the fast food restaurant (sometimes the burger is dry, sometimes it's okay). But for others who understand film in a completely different context don't view films necessarily the same way. I, myself, am busy watching the principle photography of the film, why things were framed the way they were, how they are framed, use of dialogue, use of space, use of everything you can possibly think of. If it's on the screen, you have to ask yourself, "why?" And so, comparing that with the 5-Star restaurant, you'd take in the whole atmosphere of the restaurant home with you... something I'm quite sure would be a memorable experience, something you'd want to experience more and more of. And since 5-Star dining isn't the costly venture the average Joe would consider, all the "time" wasted watching a "boring" film wouldn't be very cost effective to the average theater-Joe either. I hope you're catching my drift.

So again, I'm not trying to offend you and say that I'm better than you are, but when you've practiced film, studied it, lived it, and understand it, you'll comprehend it with different eyes and ears. And if you've seen M,F and still don't like it, or understand it, then as I said before, you'd lie within the majority of the audiences... force fed cheap (not budget-wise, but creativity/craft-wise) films for quick fixes. Nothing wrong with that, I have a dvd collection of those as well in Dumb and Dumber and the likes.

One more thing to add... you're right when you said "A lot of good films come out of Hollwood,"... but that's only true if you were talking about early Hollywood films when films weren't trying to make a quick buck from cheap material. Martin Scorsese is probably the only filmmaker in your list that I would consider a great. The others... they're at about the mediocre-bad Hollywood film level. Of course, this is my opinion only. Nothing against yours.

P.S. sorry this was long. it'd be easier talking aloud than typing. :P

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:09 pm

Yes but still if a 2-euro bottle of cheap supermarket wine tastes better than some expensive 50 euro plonk then I am not ashamed to say that sh*t is sh*t even if someone knows where the tree the barrel was made grew. I don't care.

Same with films. It either works or it doesn't. You can have a totally crap story, crap acting and beautiful photography (that one DDR western comes to mind). Or a beautiful story and good acting and totally crap photography. Or then you have some avantgardist crap you need to have LSD to make (David Lynch comes to mind) to bare watch like Dogville, though filmed theatre relies then again on the acting.

I did some film back in the days when you still had 8mmm you could get developed. Now that I'd have the means for cutting and pasting I've lost the vigor of youth and the time :lol: I've had a few ideas... two of them actually might come into something one day. Nowadays I'm back into photography. As in real film and real cameras :twisted:
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Post by ScubaGirl » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:59 pm

@ dhcjrew,

I'm guessing you're very young, yeah? I myself am in the music industry and have been for well over 10 years. I once sounded EXACTLY like you in regards to music. I even used your restaurant analogy in almost the same way LOL. When you talk about M,F I even think back to when I thought there were people who couldn't understand the brilliance of a certain band or artist because they just simply, "didn't know what I knew". Well, I've since grown up :wink:. An opinion is an opinion. If I wrote a list of all the films I love, you'd probably be surprised. The directors I named have 3 or more movies I like made by them, but there are a million movies on my favs list that were not made by any of those guys (not that I need to explain my taste to you :p). Can you honestly say you don't like anything by the Coen Bros.? Have you seen FARGO???

Btw, sometimes I wish I could go back to the days when my opinion of music was PURE, before I knew all the ins and outs of being in a studio and all the behind the scenes of the business. I even have a few connections in the film business, but aside from writing a score, I'd like to stay out of it because it's the one art form I still have that's pure and not tainted by, "knowing too much" about it.

Btw, this post was not meant to offend you either. I just thought your way of thinking on this subject was a tad bit juvenile :?
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Post by Hank W. » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:13 pm

Oh, one thing in Helsinki is the Rakkautta & Anarkiaa festival. Shows you usually some goodies that are not usually come by (the theme changes yearly) http://www.hiff.fi/ so next September again...
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Post by dhcjrew » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:10 pm

@Hank

True, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all 50-euro wines are greats, but they are the rarity/minority bunch among the 2-euro junk out there. I'm not denying that there are the few 2-euro/Hollywood films out there that stand out, but I understand what you mean. I also understand that the cinema experience is a form of entertainment... but at the same time, I feel people are being short-changed. Nonetheless, cheap thrills are better than no thrills.

BTW, I also do photography with real film and real cameras, but I left my gear back in the states. If I had the choice to shoot 16mm/35mm/70mm motion pictures, I'd do it in a heart beat. But since I'm out here for now, I have my DVX.

@ScubaGirl

I'm 25 and no offense taken :wink: . I am totally with you when you talk about music. Now let's use music as another analogy (yeah yeah, i know... not again :twisted: ). Baroque, Renassaince, Classical music in my point of view is top notch music, the standard if you will. Every note and instrument is carefully chosen to craft the music. Fast-forward to 2007... for myself and the rest of Gen-X, when we tune into the oldies station 15-20 years from now... "Oops, I Did It Again" will be playing. YUCK. B. Spears and most modern musicians aren't composing music the way music was intended to be crafted.

Artists have become lazy (see: every artist that's sampled or re-made a previous hit). The entire entertainment industry has become lazy. Every media outlet needs some cheap gimmick to keep their audiences attracted. News stations have a million widgets on their screen to keep people reading and listening and watching all at the same time. Television shows have resorted to cheap reality shows and prime-time shows made for the ADD-audience in mind. Whether it be music, art, photography, or film, artists have become lazy. Take for example, Lil' Jon's "Snap Yo Fingaz" song... it's a cheap catchy beat, cheap synthesizer loop, and some big names rapping to it. How did it become such a hit?! People's entertainment value have dimmed down. Audience's standards have dumbed down. Things are given to them rather than having them sit back, and deciphering for themselves how the music was crafted.

Now before anybody gets me wrong, I'm not saying all modern day entertainment suck, but you can't deny that it's all going downhill. That's where I'm trying to get at in my posts, but I don't think it's quite coming off that way. Too much information in my head, too little of it getting out.


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