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Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Katie9 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:22 pm

Please try and stay positive.
I am reading so much of peoples responses to foreigners on this forum that are looking for a job.
The total negativity angers me. People saying it's impossible and you should just leave. Theres a good motto. When somethings hard, don't try.
I have received a lot of response since my last post looking for a place to live, and I wanted to tell my story to try and give some other foreigners some hope.
I am Australian, and only speak English. I came to Finland for the first time last summer to visit family. I worked for 2 months before moving on for months of travel over Europe and UK as us Aussies tend to do.
So my first job here was at Eatz restaraunt helsinki. I was extremely lucky getting this job as it was the first place I asked and they were kind enough to give me a job as a waitress even though I spoke no Finnish. It was a little understandable to the customers because at the time it had the Outback Australian Bar in conjunction. Most customers were very understanding and quite lovely. If there was ever a communication issue, I had the luxury of always working with somebody Finnish so I asked them to serve the table. It worked. Until I left for travel.
I then came back in November originally only planning to stay a week and fly back to Australia. but in apparent tradition, in the week I was here, I met a boy (Canadian, not Finnish) and decided to stay. So after a trip to Canada for christmas, It was time for me to find a job again in Finland.
This was the time that I realised how truly lucky I was last time around getting a job. As most people will know Eatz has been taken over and changed now and, on return they no longer needed staff as it was the slow time for hospitality.
So I walked the streets for hours at a time, and days at a time handing out resume after resume wit most to no avail. And then one place did give me a chance. I wont say where to remain reasonably anonymous. But it took 57 resumes before somebody gave me a break. I am now working successfully as a waitress in a similar situation as Eatz.
In a state of desperation I also decided to email around resumes and landed another job in an english speaking day care centre as a substitute.
After a period of dispair I began 2 jobs on the one day.
So what I am really trying to say is it's not impossible. It's also far from easy. It takes strength and persistence. Expect rejection, smile thank them for their time and go next door. Have a good resume. Be memorable. Be confident.
Never walk past one place and say you've had enough. Because that could be the place you get a job.
But really to most places it doesn't matter how happy, confident, qualified or experienced you are. You don't speak Finnish in Finland. Respect this, respect their decisions, respect the place you're in.
Just keep hope. :)
Good luck.


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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Karhunkoski » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:31 pm

Katie9 wrote: Until I left for travel.
You're hitting one of the problem nails directly on the head there Katie. Many Finns will look at a foreigner and think, "I will invest money training this guy/girl, then they will just probably leave and I'm left looking for someone new". That's not to say Finns don't ever leave to try out life elsewhere, but "foreigners" are a bigger risk.
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by raamv » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:32 pm

hmmm and the term negative was never there in the 57 places you applied..
When people post here saying that they want to come here without a job..We tell them to find a job first..
You were pretty lucky in the first place...and Yes..Keeping the expectations low and hopes high is a requirement here..
If that is considered negative..i dunno what is positive..
A lot of posts here deal with asking for a job when they have not tried to search for one, and are wanting others to do the searching for them and expect to do things for them without getting outta their b*utt..
I dunno what is negative about telling people to give up their rose colored glasses when they step outta the Vantaa Airport ( or the Ferry terminal)..
Its not Impossible, but its not as easy as other places (UK, Ireland) where its easier to find a job if you speak English than here...
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Hank W. » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:46 pm

Karhunkoski wrote: That's not to say Finns don't ever leave to try out life elsewhere, but "foreigners" are a bigger risk.
Finnish (dogs) are more likely to come back to their own vomit ;)
- have foreign experience
- improved language skills
- and still know how to "be"
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Karhunkoski » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:49 pm

Hank W. wrote: Finnish (dogs) are more likely to come back to their own vomit ;)
Quite true, and if someone has already lapped up their vomit, they find it easier to barf up another portion :P
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Amandine.K » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:21 pm

Hi Katie!

Thanks for sharing your experience and for showing that with determination one can find a job here!

Incidently the playschool you worked at don't happen to be in Westend? ;)

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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Katie9 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:28 pm

You're hitting one of the problem nails directly on the head there Katie. Many Finns will look at a foreigner and think, "I will invest money training this guy/girl, then they will just probably leave and I'm left looking for someone new". That's not to say Finns don't ever leave to try out life elsewhere, but "foreigners" are a bigger risk.
And that is completely their own perogative, understandable and reasonable from a business owners point of view.. My post was aimed at people that are looking for jobs and letting them know that it is not a mission impossible.
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Katie9 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:33 pm

hmmm and the term negative was never there in the 57 places you applied..
When people post here saying that they want to come here without a job..We tell them to find a job first..
You were pretty lucky in the first place...and Yes..Keeping the expectations low and hopes high is a requirement here..
If that is considered negative..i dunno what is positive..
A lot of posts here deal with asking for a job when they have not tried to search for one, and are wanting others to do the searching for them and expect to do things for them without getting outta their b*utt..
I dunno what is negative about telling people to give up their rose colored glasses when they step outta the Vantaa Airport ( or the Ferry terminal)..
Its not Impossible, but its not as easy as other places (UK, Ireland) where its easier to find a job if you speak English than here...
No I am sorry, I might have been unclear in my initial post, I was sying that I am sick of the negativity that comes about on this forum towards people looking for jobs. Although I thouroughly agree with you that some people do expect to post on this page and
expect to do things for them without getting outta their b*utt..
Which is why I was describing my experiences to let them know that trying to find jobs on forums like this is a lost cause.
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by FFCBOY » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:06 pm

Katie good on you girl :D
It can be hard if not very hard but good to hear a positive person and a positive story..

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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by mCowboy » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:06 pm

Katie9 wrote: No I am sorry, I might have been unclear in my initial post, I was sying that I am sick of the negativity that comes about on this forum towards people looking for jobs.
Will you be the one getting them the jobs then? Or holding their hands every step of the way, while they're not doing anything proactive to help themselves...
Katie9 wrote: Which is why I was describing my experiences to let them know that trying to find jobs on forums like this is a lost cause.
and do you think for a minute these people read the old posts? No, they just keep opening up new threads whining desperately that no one comes to knock on their door and offer them a great job with a great salary without the need to be able to speak Finnish, without translated diplomas or references...
Get in there...

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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by FFCBOY » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:29 pm

So what your saying Cowboy :roll: to all those looking is too get off your arses and go looking for a job and knock on some doors.......common sense really you would think :!:
But there is plently of people working here with little or no finnish lang skills......look at all these computer geeks :shock:

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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by mCowboy » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:47 pm

FFCBOY wrote:So what your saying Cowboy :roll: to all those looking is too get off your arses and go looking for a job and knock on some doors.......common sense really you would think :!:
you think? The reality is different. Lotsa people just come in Finland and/or this forum and expect someone to give them a job on the spot... :roll:
FFCBOY wrote: But there is plently of people working here with little or no finnish lang skills......look at all these computer geeks :shock:
Yes, but they are already here working. They've done their homework, the research and got the job. Some were lucky, most just worked hard at it. Just because someone wins the lottery every week, doesn't mean you will win it the next week. Most of us still have to go to work every day and earn our living. Same goes for job hunting, you need to work at it everyday.
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by Richard » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:11 am

mCowboy wrote:
Katie9 wrote: No I am sorry, I might have been unclear in my initial post, I was sying that I am sick of the negativity that comes about on this forum towards people looking for jobs.
Will you be the one getting them the jobs then? Or holding their hands every step of the way, while they're not doing anything proactive to help themselves...
Some might think that finding an English language forum, and posting a question is reasonably proactive!
bear in mind that many new members may have googled and found the site having never used BB's before.

Having said that I don't recall many occasions when there was a subsequent post thanking us a dose of reality.

All the same I am tempted to ask the management to setup the spam filter to replace the url for the
"use the for force luke" image with a nicely formatted explanation on how to use the search functions :D

n.b. Most of this is a general observation apart from the "use the force luke" image ;)

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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by mCowboy » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:51 am

Richard wrote:
Some might think that finding an English language forum, and posting a question is reasonably proactive!
bear in mind that many new members may have googled and found the site having never used BB's before.
Why stop there, why not search this forum too before asking the question that's been asked many times over... and after going thru all those posts and STILL not finding the answer, then start a new thread.
Richard wrote: Having said that I don't recall many occasions when there was a subsequent post thanking us a dose of reality.

All the same I am tempted to ask the management to setup the spam filter to replace the url for the
"use the for force luke" image with a nicely formatted explanation on how to use the search functions :D

n.b. Most of this is a general observation apart from the "use the force luke" image ;)
I PM'd Neil and asked if some sort of note or something stating "Have you searched the forum. This is how you do it?", before newbies can start new threads.. this could happen for the first 10 posts or so. Neil just commented that they'd never read it anyways... and I think he's right. Why bother, when someone else can do it for you... :twisted:

So now I just settle for posting "Luke"...
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Re: Jobless in Finland and don't speak Finnish??

Post by raamv » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:56 am

Katie9 wrote:And that is completely their own perogative, understandable and reasonable from a business owners point of view.. My post was aimed at people that are looking for jobs and letting them know that it is not a mission impossible.
This is another one of those things/examples that "everyone knows but no one tells you"..
Unless you know the mindset of a hiring manager and the working culture here, it is going to be difficult to tackle and have a plan on how to apply for a job..
For a waitress/waiter job, It is easy to knock on doors..see if there is an opening..and if not, try another..and when they do say OK where is your resume...and a blank stare later..you kinda get the point..
For other kind of jobs, there are ways (processes) to apply for them... No one is going to answer if there is a job opening for a taxi driver who cannot speak Finnish or an office assistant who cannot speak Finnish and Swedish AND English..
Whenever we highlight the environment..it comes as negative...cos sometimes it is!! Thats the reality and lets face it...As plenty other examples of how easy it can be to find a job in UK/US not speaking any English at all!! ( The UK Govt. bringing in new rules for foreigners applying for citizenship, and who cannot speak English or participate in the society is totally another discussion...)
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