Dual Citizenship for our newborn

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Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by hychamaz » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:32 am

Was hoping that someone had been through this alreadt and can point us in the right direction. Our baby is now 2 weeks old :D and we just submitted the paperwork to the magistrates with his name, etc... First, will Kela automatically send us a card for him.
Now onto the little guy getting his US citizenship. Does anyone know the process?? Do we just contact the US consulate (wherever that is..) for his dual citizenship? Will they issue him a US passport from there? Thanks in advance everyone.


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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by karen » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:03 am

Congratulations!

Check this: U.S. Embassy Helsinki Birth Report

My experience:
I had to prove that I had actually lived in the US for 30 years. It was surprisingly difficult. I hope you have more of a paper trail than I had. It's been a few years since I got my son papered. At the time, everything was sent to the US for processing. I've heard since then that they have the machine here to make the passports. And then I heard/read that it was being sent out again.

And remember, you can't just show up at the embassy. You need an appointment to get through the gates.

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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by mita » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:03 am

Congratulations!
Just had my second finnish american baby last week!

You shoul call the US embassy and they will send you an application. You will need to gather proof that you have been in the US
for several years (I think 9 years). They will then invite you to bring the baby and some money.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by hychamaz » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:26 pm

Thank you both for the help. Congrats Mita as well!!! I apologize for not getting back earlier as the little one has been quite demanding :D and hasnt left much time for me to get online lately. Thanks again for the advice. Since I dont plan on going back to the US anytime soon I really hope that establishing this paper trail is not a real pain in the as*.
Also I was just wondering why they would want evidence of my living in the US since I am a resident of Finland now?? I guess that I should have expected the red tape. If you are a US citizen with a valid passport, why should it be their business of what I have done or lived. Just venting as I am sure that this will be another wonderful experience.... :roll:
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by Rosamunda » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:11 pm

There's rules... for example.... as a GB citizen born in the UK I passed on my citizenship to my kids even though they were born in France with a Finnish father. BUT because my kids were not born in the UK and have never lived there, they will NOT be able to pass on their GB citizenship automagically to their own children. They will have to make a special application, which may or may not be accepted. I guess the 9 year rule for the USA is a similar kind of thing.
Different countries do it different ways.

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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by mita » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:33 am

I got a letter from my elementary school and a transcript from my highschool. That was the easiest option for me.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by raamv » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:21 pm

mita wrote:Congratulations!
Just had my second finnish american baby last week!

You shoul call the US embassy and they will send you an application. You will need to gather proof that you have been in the US
for several years (I think 9 years). They will then invite you to bring the baby and some money.
I am confused :? You mean to say that if you lived in the US for more than 9 years( without a green card ), that your child can get US citizenship? :shock:
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by JuliaB » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:56 pm

This is what the US Dept of State has to say about how long the Us citizen parent must have lived in the US,

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

It was not hard for us, Baby Stella born last July. I just got copy of my HS transcript and it was fine.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by raamv » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:32 am

I somehow kinda missed this part
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by karen » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:21 am

raamv wrote:
mita wrote:Congratulations!
Just had my second finnish american baby last week!

You shoul call the US embassy and they will send you an application. You will need to gather proof that you have been in the US
for several years (I think 9 years). They will then invite you to bring the baby and some money.
I am confused :? You mean to say that if you lived in the US for more than 9 years( without a green card ), that your child can get US citizenship? :shock:
No, children of US citizens who were born and live abroad have to live in the US for 5 years in order for their children to have US citizenship. Reino would have to live there for 5 years, two of them past the age of 15, in order for his children to get citizenship.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by Rosamunda » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:40 am

That sounds pretty similar to the UK rules then.

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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by hychamaz » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:14 pm

Thanks again everyone for clearing up this matter. I can definately get a copy of my HS and University transcripts from the states. Sounds easy enough. I wasnt looking forward to having to put together a ridiculous paper trail. I wonder why though they cant just look at my passport and see that I have only been out of the country a handful of times in the years that I have it with its stamps. No problem though.
The dept. of states website and the US Embassy Helsinki website differ on one thing. The embassy website I see wants a second birth certificate that they want in addition to the one from the magistrate. They say they want:
Child's Birth certificate given at the hospital at the time of birth. This is a document, that you must separately request, explaining that it is needed to complete a U.S. report of birth. (The midwife in Finnish hospitals generally issues the document and it only indicates that the mother has given a live birth to a boy/girl baby on a specific date.)
It has been a few weeks now but I hope its not a problem to drive up to the hospital and have them print me out this document. Anyone know about this?
Also thank you for clearing up what our son will have to do many years from now to have his children recognized as US citizens. You guys are great. Very much appreciated. I will call the embassy and have them send me out the application. I guess that I should completely fill out this application and gather all proof before I make an appointment to get through their gates.
Also (sorry for the long message:
JuliaB wrote:This is what the US Dept of State has to say about how long the Us citizen parent must have lived in the US,

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

It was not hard for us, Baby Stella born last July. I just got copy of my HS transcript and it was fine.
I went to H.S. from when I was 14-18 for 4 years. This obviously doesnt meet their 5 year requirement after the age of 14 since I was born in 1977. So I guess I will need my University diploma as well. How did you pull that off JuliaB? Did you go to H.S from age 14-19. Thanks.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by karen » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:14 pm

I had to go get the document from the hospital. It was easy.

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Post by Hank W. » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:55 pm

Well, from the Finnish POV I cannot fathom a "birth certificate". It does not exist. If I needed to "prove I was born" i got myself a "official certificate" from the Church or nowadays a "draft of records" from the Maistraatti.

I have a very obscure paper stating some woman in 1970 had "live birth, boy" ... I have a cardboard "passport" from the clinic.. and I got a baptismal certificate stating who I am... But I am "IN THE COMPUTER" otherwise... so I don't have and cannot get a "birth certificate" as such.

So you people in these countries with medieval systems who expect one, ask a certificate from the hospital.
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Re: Dual Citizenship for our newborn

Post by mita » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:20 pm

raamv wrote:
mita wrote:Congratulations!
Just had my second finnish american baby last week!

You shoul call the US embassy and they will send you an application. You will need to gather proof that you have been in the US
for several years (I think 9 years). They will then invite you to bring the baby and some money.
I am confused :? You mean to say that if you lived in the US for more than 9 years( without a green card ), that your child can get US citizenship? :shock:
sorry for the confusion. I'm born and raised yankee transplanted to finland after a good case of hbs
Have a nice day!


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