moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:50 am

Hey guys just another quick question.....I was breezing through some of the posts here ...and I'm some what perplexed by the number of different answers
..I am Aussie but have an EU passport....over here like most of the guys ...just hanging out in the missus apartment spending all my savings..... I have been here 3 months ...and am staying for another 9 or so (Need to live here 12 months to get the GF a de facto visa for Aus). Because of this I have gone to mistraattii and tried to register us as a de facto ... we are living together etc ...Now the woman at mistraatti said we could register as a de facto couple as long as we had been living together for 4 months( She gave us a stamped and signed document that stated we had lived together for three ...all though I have no idea why she did this) ....She then sent me to the police station to fill out some paperwork..the paperwork is registering me as being a resident for family ties or some thing. Most of the people we have talked to seem to be positive about us achieving this de facto visa but after reading many posts on this forum it seems to be another story all together

My questions to you are as follows

1. I have read here that we must live together for 2 years before you are allowed to apply for the whole de facto residecny visa ....BUT I have been told different by the people at mistraatti...so what gives ?

2. If I am registered ..de facto visa etc ...Would I be eligible at KELA to see some government bread whilst looking for a job (I would feel some what entitled I have been pouring alot of money back in to the Finnish economy

????

3. Does the TE office really help with anything ?? jobs etc ?

4. And most importantly ....How long do the police generally take with all this rego BS ...I heard it can take months and months ?????

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tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:40 am

Your statements went by so quickly that I am not so sure of what you have said.

For instance, are you now living in Finland with your Finnish wife?

If so, then why could you be asking about Finnish residency?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:20 am

For EU citizenship based registration you should be able to show funds or income for living and a health insurance. normally for EU citizens the latter can be proven by just showing the EU health insurance card, but as you have not been living in EU that I guess would not be possible for you.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 am

1. I have read here that we must live together for 2 years before you are allowed to apply for the whole de facto residecny visa ....BUT I have been told different by the people at mistraatti...so what gives ?

The two years is not a rule, it is more a guideline.
When you are living together for 2 years Migri can safely assume the marriage is not fake. But they might also believe you after 4 months because of your blue eyes.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:21 am

rinso wrote:
1. I have read here that we must live together for 2 years before you are allowed to apply for the whole de facto residecny visa ....BUT I have been told different by the people at mistraatti...so what gives ?
The two years is not a rule, it is more a guideline.
When you are living together for 2 years Migri can safely assume the marriage is not fake. But they might also believe you after 4 months because of your blue eyes.

There is no marriage mentioned in the original post. I thought GF stands for girlfriend. As far as I have understood the rules, If he wanted to apply for a resident permit based on family ties, then they should be a proper family, and un-married couple that have been co-habiting for less than two years in general does not qualify. As a EU-citizen he would not necessarily need to get a residence permit, but for registration he would then have to show that he would not be a financial burden to the Finnish society (money and/or income and health insurance).

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:58 am

Thanks for all the feedback......

The forms which I have in my hand, are the registration of 'right of residence' as well as 'additional information-family ties'.
When me and my girlfriend went to the police station they told her that she could support me (is this the case ??), hence putting her name down on the paper. The police also told us that I could list my parents as support as well. On top of that I do still have quite alot of savings left.
When filling out these forms my girl friend must prove that she had a steady income by showing wage slips etc.

I was wondering if I was not eligable for the whole 'family ties' form in the first place then why would they even bother issueing me one ? (We told them exactly what our situation was that we had been living together 3 months etc They seemed very positive).

What is the end result of all this ? If my application was deemed successful would I then be issued a social security number Or Kela number (not sure if they are the same) ??? Would Marriage make this process easier ?

Nicely · Post by **Nicely** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:08 pm

I believe (and again it's near impossible to get a specific rule) that if you can show savings in the region of about €1000 per month for 12 months (i.e. €12k), this will entitle you to the registration regardless of work or family circumstances. The amount may be less, but I can't get confirmation.

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:40 pm

So if my application is put through ..and I do get my number would I then be entitled to support from KELA ? (I am not after money I wish to find a job but every little bit helps in the mean time).

Nicely · Post by **Nicely** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:41 pm

I believe the two year rule still applies if you are married... Even though Migri suggested to me to get married to solve the problem!

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:40 pm

Yea it's hard news but thank you very much once again for the feedback.....good to get some honest answers ....also just one more question...do you know what sort of time frame I would be looking at after handing these forms in ..to find out when they would be denied or deemed a success ???

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:05 pm

tummansininen your posts were very informative ...Big thanks once again!!!!

So after reading through your updates it seems as though marriage is the answer to our problems (sort of). I mean the way you are talking about all this paper work..makes me realise you know exactly how frustrating all this paper work is !!!

Are you saying that if we were to go and get 'married' some time next week...All we have to do is present my passport and the marriage cert to the police and two weeks later I get my social No. ?

That being said ..I was also wondering ..did you get married here in Finland ?? If so ...that is legaly recognised back in Australia yea ??

biscayne · Post by **biscayne** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:05 pm

I really don't know, it all just seems so random sometimes,especially for a country which prides itself on NOT being "random" about anything. When I tried to register (was moving to be with SO) they basically told me no way, no how (I'm an EU citizen). Then, later, I got a call from the Police asking me to come in. I went with the SO, and the chief of the Police, said he would register me, because (I'm not kidding here) he saw the address on the application - Kauniainen, which is supposedly a "nice" place. At that time, I had dispaired of being able to stay, and there were other issues too - won't bore you with them. So I had taken a contract elsewhere for 6 months. But, as said, it all just seems so random. They told me most emphatically that I could only be registered if I had already been living with SO for 2 years and could proove that. Obviously if I had a job or was in full-time study, that would be ok too.

good luck anyway

mikelowrey · Post by **mikelowrey** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:11 pm

Thanks Biscayne ...are you or were you married to your SO at the time you were applying to live here ??

tummansininen I sent you a PM by the way!!

Nicely · Post by **Nicely** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:20 pm

I honestly can't say that I'm surprised. Bemused, but not surprised. In most other countries, there are stringent systems in place to stop you getting married just to gain residency. However, in most other EU COUNTRIES there aren't the same ridiculous hurdles to not being able to do ANYTHING without an ID number if you are from another EU country...

Nicely · Post by **Nicely** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:01 pm

Very interesting. Must check whether my Decree Absolute needs to be apostilled...

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