Greenpeace - Piracy: What's your opinion

Honest · Post by **Honest** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:00 pm

What's your opinion about this piracy saga?

Does a noble cause justify illegal action? Can I climb my neighbour's balcony if he is doing something wrong which cannot be stopped by law but I and many (all) others feel is bad for all of us?

Should police sentence me for 15 years (too harsh punishment) for climbing that balcony?

Should physical action be taken/allowed during protests?

Just want to know what you guys personally think about such issues in general.

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catfish78 · Post by **catfish78** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:08 am

As the old saying goes, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time"

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:50 am

Like you tell a kid: If you go poke a stick in the dog's arse and the dog gets angry, don't come crying home it bit you.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:38 am

Does a noble cause justify illegal action?

Who decides what is noble and justifiable?
Many terrorist consider their cause noble.
If you let the cause trump the law, you open the door to anarchy.

flyingyellowpig · Post by **flyingyellowpig** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:46 am

I can't say much about them , but I just think they are a very hypocrite ngo and their ideals are like those from fairytales.
I hope those arrested activists on piracy charges after protest against Arctic oil drilling will get their punishment for invading others peoples backward. They are getting what they deserved.
All this climate change thing it's a just a big b*s for getting peoples money.

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Popeye · Post by **Popeye** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:40 pm

It's good to get attention to make oil companies work in a safe and environmentally friendly way. But unfortunately this kind of protest only works in democratic countries. In the rest of the world they will do whatever necessary to get rid of them.

And it's still very necessary to get attention because a lot of companies still take shortcuts when it comes to safety to maximize their profit. Safety and environment cost money and will have to be deducted from the profit. In Mexico, bay of campeche, gas is being torched off because it is not economically interesting to collect it and store it, and the mexicans have no infrastructure to do so. I was working next to one of their platforms and it had a torch 25-30 meters high, with the noise of a jet engine and it continued 24/7, week after week. In the evening you could see many other platforms torching off their gas and in daytime you could see the pollution in the air. Such a waste of energy and a big source of pollution. But as with a lot of things: if it's far from our home then we don't care much about it.

And accidents with drilling rigs are quite common and have a big impact on the environment. Only after the Deepwater Horizon accident, rigs started administrating their equipment properly (because inspectors/oil companies require it now) to keep good track of certification and reliability of the equipment.

I don't directly support Greenpeace (and i still work in drilling) but it's good to draw attention to offshore drilling and force companies to work safe and clean. And about the activists in Russia: probably depends on what Putin wants to do with them. Maybe he just wants to give them a big scare and then kick the whole lot out of Russia.

Dalmatinac · Post by **Dalmatinac** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:38 am

I guess their vessel is using water to sail around.

browndude · Post by **browndude** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:14 pm

In my opinion these Greenpeace typese have far too much time on their hands.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:48 pm

browndude wrote:In my opinion these Greenpeace typese have far too much time on their hands.

Time = money.

Honest · Post by **Honest** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:56 pm

I guess their vessel is using water to sail around.

That's good one! Just like world leaders gather in far of exotic islands on private jets to discuss about CO2 levels

atas · Post by **atas** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:07 pm

Time will tell. I have mixed feelings about organizations like Greenpeace. On a more general level, where do we cross the line and say that an activism is "terrorism" or "criminal" activity? Obviously, if it is done by a few nutcases, although if they claim it is for a good cause, it is an isolated criminal activity. However, what if this is backed by "society" (however you define it...)? And does the protestor need to break the law in order to make a point (at least in a so-called democracy)?

Honest · Post by **Honest** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:21 pm

So breaking laws is fine in "real" democracies?

flyingyellowpig · Post by **flyingyellowpig** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:25 am

Sorry I have posted the wrong link before. This is what is motivating Greenpeace to do what they did.

kharnynb · Post by **kharnynb** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:24 am

If someone had lost their life, just because a bunch of numbnuts think they can just go hop around inside on of the worlds most dangerous workplaces...

Let them rot in jail, they deserve it.

atas · Post by **atas** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:02 pm

Honest wrote:So breaking laws is fine in "real" democracies?

I said exactly the opposite. For this discussion, let's ignore how we would define a true democracy, and let's say that it is a form of government that allows anyone to express his/her own opinion. In this case, what point would breaking the law make? On the other hand, let's take the other extreme of a dictatorship (which could pause itself as a "democracy"). Expression of opinion itself would then constitute "breaking the law".

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