Permit extension

kevin2014 · Post by **kevin2014** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:02 pm

Hi all..

I was previously on a student B permit (2010.2013). I got my first work permit A-St (May 2014-May 2015) for my full time job.

Me and my Finnish girlfriend moved in the same apartment in August 2014 and the contract is under both our names.

Can someone shower some light on ''cohabitation rules/laws'' please?

Is there any possibility that I can extend my permit on cohabitation rules in case I ll be no longer working for the company.

And I will graduate in March-April.

Thanks

Kumar

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Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:00 pm

You cannot extend your work-based type A RP with a cohabitation RP. However, you can apply for a new RP based on your cohabitation with your girlfriend.
Since your girlfriend is Finnish, the only requirement is that you have cohabited for 2 years when you submit your application. So, you can apply for a cohabitation-based RP in August 2016

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:35 pm

adnan wrote:You cannot extend your work-based type A RP with a cohabitation RP. However, you can apply for a new RP based on your cohabitation with your girlfriend.

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0301#L4P54

It is still considered an extended permit if you use a new reason. The unofficial translation of the act (see section 54) is here:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannokset ... 040301.pdf

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:40 pm

betelgeuse wrote:It is still considered an extended permit if you use a new reason.

Thanks, mate. Another reason for me to take what I'm told at the police station with a grain of salt.

kevin2014 · Post by **kevin2014** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:01 pm

Thanks for the suggestions..

Any information or experiences do you guys have concerning #registered partnership#
http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-f ... -checklist

I just read that on infopankki>
~A partnership is registered at the Local Register Office. No witnesses are required. Both parties sign a registration document, after which a representative of the Local Register Office confirms it with his or her signature.
Registration is free if it takes place during office hours in the premises of the Local Register Office.~

Will that help for not having to wait 2 years of normal cohabitation.. to apply for an extension

Lastly, how about //common relationship//
http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-f ... lationship

Thanks

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:14 pm

Be careful. Registering the relationship is 99% the same thing as marriage in Finland. So you'll need a certificate from your home country that you're not married, and you'll need to sign a prenup with your spouse. So make sure you know what you're getting into before acting on these thoughts.

kevin2014 wrote:Lastly, how about //common relationship//

It's just that you've lived with your girlfriend for a while in the same address without any registration or marriage. As far as I know, it's not considered with residence permit matters.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:19 pm

kevin2014 wrote: Any information or experiences do you guys have concerning #registered partnership#

That is for same-sex partners. Without a couple of restrictions regarding e.g. adoption rights it could be called gay marriage. Ok, are you a boy or a girl?

Lastly, how about //common relationship//
http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-f ... lationship

If you want to be properly a family member (spouse) that requires either that two year cohabitation or a marriage(registered partnership). There is the classification described here:
http://www.migri.fi/moving_to_finland_t ... lationship

- but the terms and conditions are quite different from those regarding proper spouses.

kevin2014 · Post by **kevin2014** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:38 pm

Yeah, it seems easier for gay marriage!! They just register and its official!
We are a straight couple btw, and we have to wait for 2 years cohabitation..
I found out this one while researching but I dont know if ppl have ever used that..
> A common-law relationship entered into abroad
A common-law relationship can be a basis for getting a residence permit.
The authorities always consider the granting of a residence permit case-specifically.

http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-f ... lationship

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:07 pm

kevin2014 wrote:Yeah, it seems easier for gay marriage!! They just register and its official!

It is the same for straight couple. You get married. The legal consequences, with a couple of exceptions (none of which are relevant here), are the same as with a same sex registered partnership.

We are a straight couple btw, and we have to wait for 2 years cohabitation..

Not if you are ready to get married.

> A common-law relationship entered into abroad
A common-law relationship can be a basis for getting a residence permit.
The authorities always consider the granting of a residence permit case-specifically.

http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-f ... lationship

I posted the related link to immigration service (migri) page already.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:00 pm

adnan wrote:Be careful. Registering the relationship is 99% the same thing as marriage in Finland. So you'll need a certificate from your home country that you're not married, and you'll need to sign a prenup with your spouse. So make sure you know what you're getting into before acting on these thoughts.

You only need to sign a prenup if committing a fraud for residence permit purposes.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:15 pm

betelgeuse wrote:You only need to sign a prenup if committing a fraud for residence permit purposes.

I disagree. A prenup, in my opinion, is a very important contractual agreement between two people deciding to share their life together. What happens if after a year you see that you're with the wrong person? If I have more significant assets than my spouse or if I bring higher financial contribution to the relationship than my spouse, then it's very unfair that I have to give half of what I have to the other person. People change minds and feelings, and it's essential to be prepared for that.

That doesn't mean that I think everybody should get one. In the end, each to his/her own.

kevin2014 · Post by **kevin2014** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:54 pm

We are ready to get married but not yet, probly after her studies *after 2 years*

I assume that registered partnership is not the same as marriage, is it!

From what I read through your links guys, reg ptnership does not require any witnesses or complicated docs as for a marriage!! And both can be a basis for applying a RP.

I ll prefer to do the reg ptenrship but it seems like its possible only for gay couples *same sex* relationship.

Only option for straight couples intending to get married in the future>>> cohabitation option only available and I don not qualify yet!!

Correct me if I m wrong!

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:18 pm

kevin2014 wrote:We are ready to get married but not yet, probly after her studies *after 2 years*

I assume that registered partnership is not the same as marriage, is it!

From what I read through your links guys, reg ptnership does not require any witnesses or complicated docs as for a marriage!! And both can be a basis for applying a RP.

I ll prefer to do the reg ptenrship but it seems like its possible only for gay couples *same sex* relationship.

Only option for straight couples intending to get married in the future>>> cohabitation option only available and I don not qualify yet!!

Correct me if I m wrong!

Registered partnership is de facto marriage for same sex partners and requirements and responsibilities are similar to marriage, main differences are surname and right to adopt.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:57 pm

adnan wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:You only need to sign a prenup if committing a fraud for residence permit purposes.
I disagree. A prenup, in my opinion, is a very important contractual agreement between two people deciding to share their life together. What happens if after a year you see that you're with the wrong person? If I have more significant assets than my spouse or if I bring higher financial contribution to the relationship than my spouse, then it's very unfair that I have to give half of what I have to the other person. People change minds and feelings, and it's essential to be prepared for that.

I was commenting that a prenup is not a legal necessity to get married. Basically how RFC 2119 [1] defines "must". I do agree that every couple should give thought to what happens on when the marriage ends (and they all do).

[1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:24 pm

Alright. Simple misunderstanding then

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