Refugees

[Piet]

Without wanting to start a riot, I wondered about something that other immigrants might wonder about too and for the sake of the discussion I would like to share these thoughts here.

That being said, please keep your replies civilized !!!!

We all follow the news lately about the big amount of refugees coming into Europe.

To my opinion this all started because some very big country's boss, thought it was needed to overthrow some Despot in the middle east and tricked everyone (with lies) in believing it was necessary. This proved to be having a snowball effect that only benefits weapon dealers and weapon constructors and the Banks.

But beside all that and not to point fingers, the issue about what I am wondering about is this:

I couldn't help to notice that from every horrible page with pictures of big groups of refugees coming into countries in whatever way they attempt to do this, the more north in EU you go, the more this phenomenon shows: Why are most of the refugees Males? Where are the women? Why do I see on pictures relatively new Iphones on them and expensive (looking) watches. Why do these refugees complain about food and shelters.

To explain my wondering, I remember that Europe has a big WAR history and about WW2, I cannot remember that we had such big refugee movements, people stayed as much as possible in their home country and If there were refugees, those were mostly the female and young. The men stayed and fight for their country, either in the army or the resistance and made it for the oppressor as hard as they humanly could.

When food was dropped by planes, no one complained that it was not of their liking, they were grateful they got something at all.
But to my amazement, yesterday I heard about complains of refugees getting the same food as our children at school. What is wrong with that food?

When I see refugee camps in Sudan and what they eat and what space they live in, and compare this to what refugees get in Europe, then I think Europe does not do that bad yet, but then...I hear of complains that there are too many people in the accommodation or the accommodation it not of their liking... WTF!!!

This all sound very VERY ungrateful to me. Especially if you compare this to F.e. (WW2 Netherlands Jewish refugees...read Anne Frank) hiding in closets for most of their days eating tulip bulbs to stay alive...trading in their last valuables to help out their protectors (ones that shelter them) to get food for everyone. (admitted that misuse of the situation occurred there too but still). This ungrateful behaviour makes me

I am an immigrant and I do not complain about anything I get for free, I just complain about things I pay for that are not what I paid for, i.e. paying for 100Mb/s but only getting 30Mb/s, or paying 1500 euro's a month for an apartment that does not get warm and grows moulds in the bathroom due to a bad ventilation system (on a Timer ), that I complain about.

So all you fellow immigrants (yes I address them and not the local Finnish on this forum..) what are your thoughts about this and how does seemingly ungrateful behaviour make you feel as being an immigrant too. Or are we letting us to be influenced too much by the local (Finnish) media that are pointing out just the excesses.

To give you an example: It makes me feel that I would want to put everyone that complains, into an air-plane and fly them back to their own country, preferably the same day.
To save on kerosene: I heard Finnair is going to test-fly new airbus planes anyway... (I believe this to be a civilized reply)

And again, please keep it civilized in your replies!!

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[rinso]

All immigrants come to improve their situation. Some fleeing for their lives, some for economic benefits, some to study (and some to be closer to their boy/girlfriend). They all are welcome if they fulfill the requirements for their situation. But with this high influx those requirements cannot be checked effectively. Just loose your passport and claim you're from a war torn area is enough to get you (temporarily) into the system. I'm afraid that the group that is abusing the system will make the acceptance and integration of the real refugees much more difficult.

[Rick1]

And do not expect any good management from sitting politicians. There are 10 percent Finnish people unemployed and from conservative measure about 40 percent foreigners who were already here. Now these politicians and other tax paid ..... are everyday shouting that these people should be as quick as possible to work Even an taxi entrepeneur would like them immediately to drive taxis. 1. we forget all the people here already at home. 2. Do we change Finlands official language to english or an arabic language at the same time. 3. These people come soon with many demands and Finnish culture will need to change. Just saw that we already have a new sponsor here that helps to integrate in our Christian society.

[ilikepeanutbutter]

The complaining about food kind of bothered me yesterday. If I came from a war torn country and had been starving, I'd not care about potatoes vs rice :/. I feel there is a sense of entitlement there that is kinda scary.

The thing is too I'm wondering, how will this massive amount of refugees reflect later on on immigrants who have been here awhile/immigrants in general? There is already so much anti immigrant behavior in the air that it worries me. I've noticed more negativity towards me compared to about 5 years ago out in public. I don't know if others have had the same thing.

I mean it's happened, and we'll see years from now (if not sooner) how this decision affects Finland. I guess that's my views.

Kat

[Karhunkoski]

It's the unoffical boss of the EU that bothers me. After all, she calls the tune that smaller countries like Finland have to play:




Secondly, I think it's a cruel person who would turn down women and children who are seeking safety from war or persecution. All the press photos show plenty of pictures of women and children. But we all know that the reality is that 80% of these refugees are young males. Why doesn't the mainsteam media photos and coverage reflect the reality? That bothers me too.

[ahkera]

This influx of refugees is nothing like before, Yes there are millions of people in warzones but is it wise to import them all in a small country. How come culture is diversified with influx of a single community.
Its organised mass movement, its like a gold rush.

People are seeking help from a fb group with over 200k members, which is guiding them about how to answer questions of immigration officer to attain asylum OR how to declare yourself below 18 and improve your chances.
Resources of Finnish immigration are no match with their skills to defeat the system.
They are being guided by countrymen who are already here.

Just after 3 months when these 18k asylum seekers will have the right to work, there will be a boom of grey or rather black economy and failed asylum seekers only way to stay will be either to get married to Finn.

Finland is over unless there are new laws to tackle this unprecedented situation, which this govt. seems reluctant to.

[Jacquelineh]

In those countriesm women are nothing and men are the kings. That's easy to see if only men flee the countries. No comments, haiz,...

[Karib]

Political correctness is killing Europa.Its a crime to speak your mind these days. Islam and Christianity is not compatible.Forcing multiculturalism on a population makes other foreigners unsafe... If you reside in a country and don't want to learn its customs and ritual and language means you should have stayed home.Receiving benefits from a country and drinking its milk and honey and still talk bad of said country means you should go home.Many people in Finland should go home... How can the minority rule the majority.

How can it be racism to say I don't feel safe....How can one be comfortable if his entire neighborhood changes overnight..

[irnbru]

Everyone knows what the truth is. Just no ones allowed to say it. Even Soini who got elected based on almost speaking some wisdoms is frightened to open his gob now. It doesn't help that the PM is a brainwashed uber christian no doubt brought up on the old good samaritan story.

If the boot was on the other foot they'd have their borders locked down and patrolled quicker than you can say "lets save 100 million on daycare".

500 a day

[Marsh04]

Please refrain from calling this culture a Christian culture. What we have here is because of liberalism and not giving a damn to religion and church/priests.

If you want to see Christian culture go to countries where religion is taken seriously like African or south American or to some extent some Eastern European Christian countries. Where children are raped by loving christian priests on daily basis and if you try to speak against the raping priests you can face severe consequences. Beating wives in a Christian culture is a norm, honesty is sacarce and violence in abundance.

luckily here in Finland we are better off without your Christian god and values.

[Querfeldein]

Do we need to go over the same questions, again and again? The journey to Europe is not easy; it's quite possible that a man goes alone at first, trying to get the rest of his family here later. Also, not everyone is married with children (not here, and presumably not in Syria). For a single woman, the journey is probably a lot more dangerous than for a single man. Finally, there isn't economic equality, and men are statistically more likely to have the means to travel than women. If we could process asylum requests directly, and let people board regular flights, I am sure we'd see a much more even gender balance. And also a lot more refugees.

As to the fact that some of the refugees have iphones etc., Syria was not a third-world country before the war started. Quite a few of the first wave of refugees from Syria are from the upper social classes - and they often paid thousands for traffickers. However, money doesn't help you when you're stuck between a tyrant and an islamist death cult. It's quite ironic that the same people who point out the apparent affluence of refugees also accuse them of merely being economic migrants.

[Querfeldein]

Just after 3 months when these 18k asylum seekers [...] Finland is over unless there are new laws to tackle this unprecedented situation.

Population of Finland: 5.5 million

18,000 asylum seekers, as a fraction of the population: 0.3%

If Finland is over, it will be due to the Fins, not due to the asylum seekers.

[irnbru]

it's quite possible that a man goes alone at first, trying to get the rest of his family here later.

What kind of man would leave his family to islamic state? While he comes to Finland (which has absolutely **** all to do with the situation in Iraq and Syria) to moan about the handouts they are being given.

[rinso]

it's quite possible that a man goes alone at first, trying to get the rest of his family here later.

What kind of man would leave his family to islamic state? While he comes to Finland (which has absolutely **** all to do with the situation in Iraq and Syria) to moan about the handouts they are being given.

If you're fleeing from a life threatening situation, it is absolutely impossible that you leave your wife and children behind in that situation.
If the situation is not life threatening the guy is an economic opportunist and should be sent back.

[sky2]

If you're fleeing from a life threatening situation, it is absolutely impossible that you leave your wife and children behind in that situation.

Ever paid attention to the safety announcement they make in every flight:
in case of emergency ... if a child is seated beside you, put on your own mask before helping to put a mask on the child.