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Double letters

Post by SpeedOfLight » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:19 am

My native language is English, but I'm thinking about learning Finnish for fun, and I had a couple questions. When letters are doubled are you supposed to break up the sound, for example is "kirkko" pronounced "kirk-ko" or just one long flowing "k" sound? because I find it easy for a word like "kuukausi" or "kiitos" to do the long sounds, but it just sounds brutal when I try to pronounce a long flowing "tt" or "kk" sound.



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Post by jrdioko » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:35 am

They're not pronounced like two separate letters (i.e. "kirk ... ko"), it's more like starting the sound, pausing for a second, then finishing it. You really have to hear it to see what's going on, and I'm sure some others can post some good links to some samples.

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Post by Andrew_S » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:58 am

Double k is different from a single k.

English "black cat" isn't pronounced "bla cat".

Note the Finnish k doesn't have the aspirate "huh" after it like English.

So it's double but don't release the first k before saying the second k.

Best to hear it from a native speaker.

English has doubles in "unnatural" (2 n's), "wholely" (2 l's - as opposed to holy), "midday" (2 d's). Double d doesn't occur in Finnish though.
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Post by Papu » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:58 am

try downloadfing some finnish lessons from the internet... there are prononciation samples on various sites....
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Post by Hank W. » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:25 am

if you get past kirkko, then try kirkkoherranvirasto ;)
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Post by E Maya » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:59 am

Question... :D

tt kk etc. are pronounced with what you call a 'glottal stop', I think. It involves stopping the air from flowing through :? whatisitagain.

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Post by Jarkka » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:31 pm

Pronouncing these sounds involves blocking the airflow for a moment (the "occlusion") before the "explosion". During the occlusion, there's no sound at all of course. A double consonant just means a longer silence in the middle of the word. Easy really, just shut up for half a second or so... :wink:

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Post by kalmisto » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:18 pm

SpeedOfLight

How to pronounce Finnish names ( sound samples ) :

http://www.sci.fi/%7Ekajun/finns/

There is a Finnish speech synthesizer at :

http://www.mikropuhe.com/demo.asp

Write a Finnish word or a sentence in the text field, then click on "Kuuntele puhe"!

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Post by kalmisto » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:40 pm

SpeedOfLight

See this also ( more sound samples ) ! :

http://www.ddg.com/LIS/InfoDesignF97/pa ... onunc.html

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Post by Pecchio » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:57 am

E Maya wrote:Question... :D

tt kk etc. are pronounced with what you call a 'glottal stop', I think. It involves stopping the air from flowing through :? whatisitagain.
The whole of Finnish language is a glottal stop.
It stops the thought from communicating through to another mind....

You just have to learn to speak silently...


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