Indian_Dude wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 12:40 pm
Br_fi wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 6:18 am
jonathan_09 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 12:23 am
I also heard that Migri asks clarification from the applicant’s home country which is unreasonable and extremely weird
Being a citizen of Finland doesn’t relate you to your home country. You can have issues in your home country but it shouldn’t matter about your status in Finland. Migri should care about the applicant behaviour during the years he lived in Finland.
And as said a home country may not reply to a request from Migri at all.
In my case for example. I’m from Egypt and I haven’t been to Egypt since I moved to Finland in 2016 why would migri care what I have done in Egypt before 2016.
It obviously matters. If a foreigner will become a permanent part of Finnish society and never be able to get deported, the least Migri must do is be sure the immigrant is not a criminal because no normal country wants that.
The thing is that these investigations should be done when people are applying for a first residence permit to already cut from the roots the chances of importing a criminal. By the time the person is applying for citizenship is too late.
In Finland, there are police, courts, and jails. If there is nothing like this, then I can agree with you. So there are alternatives option for departation. Here the most important thing is how Migri gives terrible experiences to the upcoming new citizens. Most have been living here for quite a long time and paying the tax. You will never forgot, how Migri treat you. After all, if Migri is unsure about the applicant, they can reject the application, and an applicant can apply again. I don't know if there are any countries where new citizens need to wait 2-3 years for citizenship. Some newcomers (students/spouses... etc.) get there disisson within 24 hours.
Actually long processing times are not uncommon when it comes to citizenship applications. In the US for example, the average time to get citizenship approval after application is close to a year. This probably means that some applicants might have to wait much longer like they do in Finland. And in Sweden, which has had looser rules for citizenship, it can also apparently take up to 2-3 years. e.g. below from Swedish Migrationsverket
"How long does it take to get a decision?
For several years now, the Swedish Migration Agency has had long processing times for applications for citizenship. This is mainly due to the large number of applications that have been received in a short period of time – which can be linked to the large influx of refugees in 2015, when 163,000 people applied for asylum in Sweden, of which just over 95,000 were granted residence permits.
Of the citizenship applications that have been decided in the past month, 75 per cent have received a decision within 36 months. The remaining 25 per cent have had to wait longer than that. Of the notifications that have been decided in the past month, 75 per cent have received a decision within ten months. "
And regarding the courts and police in Finland, it is cheaper and easier for the state to deport someone than have them go through the local court system. The point here is that once the citizenship is granted, the laws in Finland (and in many liberal democracies) are such that the individual gets so many more legal rights that even if they are shown to have later participated e.g. in genocide, it is much harder to deal with than if the individual is not a citizen. So one of the biggest reasons for making the citizenship process so detailed is to avoid problems such as these.