Another Paddy Irish Man looking to make the Jump

[Ry]

Howya/Hei

I'm considering moving to Helsinki or Turku in the next Year and I'm in quite a predicament. I'll be moving there with no job and no place to live.

How much money would people who've done this recommend and where would they start after just getting off the plane with their bags in their hands and nothing else?

Reason for going is I want to learn a language or two and live abroad for the experience but also yeh there's a blonde involved who lives in another town but I dont want to move right on top of her which is why helsinki or turku are my options. Thanks to those with helpful comments.

Oh and before I go there I'm looking at doing at least a 14 week course in finnish here. I'm good at languages and I understand the basic structure of them i.e: me you he she and the properties they then delegate to the rest of the language must be learnt too so I pick languages up quite well though I understand finnish is said to be one of the hardest so I'm looking forward to lessons

Thanks

[potty]

Hard one this. How much money...? You're not planning on staying outdoors during the winter, are you? Here in Turku , I'd say the rent will set you back 300-400 Euros a month, at least. To even have a flat, you need to deposit one or two months rent in advance. So do the math. Of course, you're welcomed to sleep on my floor, thats only 235 a month for you (special offer).

If you're skint, Turku is your thing. Helsinki is considerably more expensive.

If you can choose, come during the summer and live in a tent. Speak in english as loud as you can, and some blonde chick will soon come and take you with her. Problem solved.

OR, maybe more info is needed...

[neil]

Consider Helsinki/Espoo/Vantaa first. You will have more luck finding a job there than smaller places like Turku.

There are also more lanuages courses to choose from.

Renting in Kallio (a suburb of Helsinki) will cost about the same as the Turku quote (above).

And save as much money as you possibly can as you will need it and it will disappear fast once you get here (unless like Potty says, some blonde chick comes and takes you)

[Rosamunda]

Forget everything you know about any other language you speak before you start Finnish.

I'm good at languages and I understand the basic structure of them i.e: me you he she and the properties they then delegate to the rest of the language must be learnt too so I pick languages up quite well though I understand finnish is said to be one of the hardest so I'm looking forward to lessons

... is that supposed to be English

Not sure how that will help you learn Finnish.... I think you might find yourself in a state of shock after your first few lessons.... Good Luck!

[tuga]

Is this post genuine? Doesn't look much like it...

I am also considering moving to Micronesia. I don't require a house, just a modest 42 feet catamaran. Also, because I will be sailing most of the time, I would prefer not to have a job.

What do u say? Can somebody help me? Is there any Kella support for this? How about if I go there to study the art of sailing?

tuga

Howya/Hei

I'm considering moving to Helsinki or Turku in the next Year and I'm in quite a predicament. I'll be moving there with no job and no place to live.

How much money would people who've done this recommend and where would they start after just getting off the plane with their bags in their hands and nothing else?

Reason for going is I want to learn a language or two and live abroad for the experience but also yeh there's a blonde involved who lives in another town but I dont want to move right on top of her which is why helsinki or turku are my options. Thanks to those with helpful comments.

Oh and before I go there I'm looking at doing at least a 14 week course in finnish here. I'm good at languages and I understand the basic structure of them i.e: me you he she and the properties they then delegate to the rest of the language must be learnt too so I pick languages up quite well though I understand finnish is said to be one of the hardest so I'm looking forward to lessons

Thanks

[Sofia]

[quote="tuga"]Is this post genuine? Doesn't look much like it...

It can be genuine. I have done the same...Didn't have job or place to stay, but things worked out just fine.

[lukelee]

me too, not in Finland but in Fiji, Australia, The Netherlands......think it was a bit rude to say it isn't genuine....I admire anyone that jumps into the unknown......and survives...

[tuga]

Sorry about that Ry,

We've all been through the same. However I would recomend you try to
make your landing easier by finding a course you could enrol, because that will make things easier. Being a student here has lots of advantages. Don't expect things to be easy, specially jobwise.

Good luck

me too, not in Finland but in Fiji, Australia, The Netherlands......think it was a bit rude to say it isn't genuine....I admire anyone that jumps into the unknown......and survives...

[karo]

Renting in Kallio (a suburb of Helsinki) will cost about the same as the Turku quote (above).

Uh, suburb? Neil, Kallio is in kantakaupunki, merely a 10-minute tram ride from the train station. Or actually, Kallio proper is next to Hakaniemi, and even closer to downtown than Alppiharju, the part of Kallio where I live.

It's true what you say about the price though. Although you can get a flat for even cheaper in some of the real suburbs, like Malmi, Kontula, etc. but I think life there can be rather depressing.

[neil]

Yes, you are abolsutely right - a mere 10min tram ride... but in Finnish terms thats like living in the commuter belt (don't get me wrong I am exaggerating)

...Of course in international terms you are slap-bang in the centre.

And yes, Malmi and Kontula can be quite depressing compared to say a good night out in the likes of Stella Star Bar, Roskapankki or Kallion Kulma - there's never a dull moment. You gotta love it!

[karo]

And yes, Malmi and Kontula can be quite depressing compared to say a good night out in the likes of Stella Star Bar, Roskapankki or Kallion Kulma - there's never a dull moment. You gotta love it!

LOL

Nuff said - I think you're absolutely right. I wouldn't particularly recommend Kallio myself, either, and I think the city of Helsinki is responsible for creating many of the problems here by centralising most of their social services here and then also allowing so many low end bars to thrive here. But hey, at least there's more action here than in some eastern Helsinki suburb. I often complain about things here in Kallio, but when a group of great African drummers appears below our window almost every night now to rehearse and play - for those moments, I just love Kallio.

[Hank W.]

Atleast you don't have the pan-flute guys under your window

[Ry]

Hard one this. How much money...? You're not planning on staying outdoors during the winter, are you? Here in Turku , I'd say the rent will set you back 300-400 Euros a month, at least. To even have a flat, you need to deposit one or two months rent in advance. So do the math. Of course, you're welcomed to sleep on my floor, thats only 235 a month for you (special offer).

If you're skint, Turku is your thing. Helsinki is considerably more expensive.

If you can choose, come during the summer and live in a tent. Speak in english as loud as you can, and some blonde chick will soon come and take you with her. Problem solved.

OR, maybe more info is needed...

No this is not a joke. I did laugh at the idea that it could be though :p YEH LETS GO ONTO A FINLAND FORUM AND PRETEND TO MOVE THERE WAAHAHAH ehh no

Right so I am basically trying to get an idea of how much dosh I'll need. I pay 400 a month for a place here in dublin city centre with two friends so I'm used to that and would hopefully pay 3-400 there in Turku or Helsinki. The main problem of course which faces all of us and is facing me is the job to keep me there.

Your floor does sound fantastic Potty and I might just take you up on the offer as it'd be a great diving board to get me into Finland and help me find a place to work and of course live. But tbh I wouldn't want to crash your party ye know Thanks a mil for the offer though I could do with any help I can get so I might just take you up on it.

I am planning a good bit ahead though since I first want to get a couple of finnish courses under my belt here so it's not for a good while yet but I want to be ready and know what I'm doing and all of that There's a college here in Ranelagh the Sandford language institute that teach finnish courses so I'm thinkin of doing those.

A Job is however the main hurdle to staying there of course and I really would work anywhere there since I'd just want to get myself in the door and then start looking around for better work if I manage to keep the hula hoop spinning

Any advice is really welcome since right now I'm in the dark about what to do stepping off the plane

Thanks

[Hank W.]

Well - needs to ask what jobs have you done / what profession are you into?
Theres recruiting going on, but niche market right now. Finnish... OK, if you can watch TG4 without subtitles then Finnish might seem easy

Now really, you should know we here on this board have seen a couple "straight off ryanair" dudes before. I can understand someone might think its a troll, but really, theres been a few guys with a "hot blonde syndrome" who have had harebrained notions of moving here. I mean you're not asking the top 10 questions off the list of evident debilitating love such as "how much is the dole", "do you need a licence for street performing", "I speak only English, where can I find a job in [place-obscure-village-in-middle-of-forest-nobodys-heard-of-population-150]"
or the likes.

BTW I might be renting a room out too. Just getting rid of the previous knackers

[Ry]

Well - needs to ask what jobs have you done / what profession are you into?
Theres recruiting going on, but niche market right now. Finnish... OK, if you can watch TG4 without subtitles then Finnish might seem easy

Now really, you should know we here on this board have seen a couple "straight off ryanair" dudes before. I can understand someone might think its a troll, but really, theres been a few guys with a "hot blonde syndrome" who have had harebrained notions of moving here. I mean you're not asking the top 10 questions off the list of evident debilitating love such as "how much is the dole", "do you need a licence for street performing", "I speak only English, where can I find a job in [place-obscure-village-in-middle-of-forest-nobodys-heard-of-population-150]"
or the likes.

BTW I might be renting a room out too. Just getting rid of the previous knackers

I do have a case of hot blond syndrome alright but I'm not letting that be the reason for me moving there only the deciding factor on where to go. I want to move to a country to learn a new language and I didn't care where until now. I was there in july and I liked it a lot so I figured why not. I love the finnish language and how it sounds but in order to talk to her in her main language I'd have to learn swedish so that's a double bonus since I love languages

I had to laugh when you said [place-obscure-village-in-middle-of-forest-nobodys-heard-of-population-150] because that's exactly the case but as I said that's a seperate entity to me moving to Finland. I expect I'll only see her once every weekend if not less since I'll be working and she'll be in College etc so I'm not really concentrating on that. I'd really hope to make some friends wherever I do choose to go out and about having a laugh around the town with really for a few drinks or whatever. I'm a bit of a geek though too so I tend to stay in nerding it up on my Shuttle a lot so either suits me

Presently I manage school and company account sales in a well known Irish IT retailer. I'm only 21 but my boss left and I got a pretty quick hit the ground running introduction to sales and retail, etc since I was the only one left in the department. I've done Multimedia in college and I'm very proficient with computers having used them since I was about 6 or 7 years old. Primarily though my experience is limited to retail and all aspects of it really from on the floor sales 1 to 1 with customers to web sales and then account sales and the running of the department single handedly. But I am getting the feeling all of that is worth nothing in Finland since I've no finnish language skills nor would they even know the place I worked. I can get a job in a new place here solely on the strength of it's name but there It will be worthless. I don't mind that too much as all I'm trying to do is get a job somewhere to pay bills and rent and get my foot in the door.

Where exactly is the apartment Hank? I'm looking at Turku or Helsinki so if in either of those I'd be interested but as I said before I'm not actually moving there for a good while yet and this is all just prepwork to get everything I need ready before I do start booking flights eventually

Ry