GREAT result for the rest of us. No Vieira for a few games, both teams dropped points, more grist to the newspapers' mill about dodgy refereeing decisions, Ruud proves he can't hit a barn door from 12 yards, and several Arsenal players show that they could have been contenders if they'd only chosen boxing instead.
The young Portuguese chappie was quite good, but relative to the number of times he made those very fancy dance-steps, how many times did he actually BEAT his man? And why is he allowed to wear different coloured socks?
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Should have put you house on it DemanDeman wrote:So Olly, what's the prediction for tomorrow. I going for a 0-0 draw as it helps my Fantasy League team. If not, then 1-0 to Arsenal (Henry)
Nice bit of acting from Nistelrooy 
looks like he's been taking tips of Pires. Although i'm getting fed up with the lack of class Arsenal always seem to display. I'll be glad when Spartak Chelsea replace them as Londons number 1.This article sums things up pretty well I find.Hohum 2 inches lowerThe Dutch striker smacked an injury time penalty against the crossbar
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He likes that stepover doesn't heWLM wrote:The young Portuguese chappie was quite good, but relative to the number of times he made those very fancy dance-steps
A Portugese Mark Walters? Just got to keep him away from Atomic Kitten now
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God Botherer picks up P45. (No surprises there).
More on the Utd Arse game. From what I'm hearing from a few of my mates back home, it wasn't just inside Old Trafford where the trouble was. Allegedly the police weren't too quick to come to the Arsenal fans rescue either. Just filmimg the incident apparently. Although they were a bit cack handed with the pepper spray by all accounts.
More on the Utd Arse game. From what I'm hearing from a few of my mates back home, it wasn't just inside Old Trafford where the trouble was. Allegedly the police weren't too quick to come to the Arsenal fans rescue either. Just filmimg the incident apparently. Although they were a bit cack handed with the pepper spray by all accounts.
Battons out on Warwick Road !
Well well, police horses wading in and coppers using batons on Warwick Road, like being back in the 80's. Cant belive they let the Arsenal fans straight out after the 90 mins ended in that style, if ever there was going to be a big fisticuff then it was today, (although i dont condone blah blah blah) top marks to the bloke in front of me who sparked out that gobby Arsenal fan who shouted "faaaack off you maaaiiiinc twats", one punch - bingo on the deck - ahhh nostalga & the beautiful game.
Hyypiä says he wants a video ref brought in for diving and dodgy "did it go in or not?" decisions.
It's a perennial whinge, but it strikes me that if they open the doors to that sort of thing they'll have to go the whole hog and have more cameras than in 1984 (and nearly as many as in downtown Helsinki), and nobody will 'scape whipping.
I'd put one or six on both touchlines to catch the bu66ers who regularly steal ten yards at throw-ins, at least one on each player in the box at free-kicks and corners (that should whittle the numbers down to six-a-side inside the first 15 minutes), two dedicated cameras with sensitive microphones on all players at all times all over the park for off-the ball racist abuse, spitting, telling the opposition centre-half you just shagged his wife and she wasn't as good as his daughter, and other choice snippets of the game.
Sure it would be expensive and mightily disruptive, but the fines - index-linked to income - would more than cover the capital costs and before long the players would be begging the FA to bring back the one-eyed wonders in black.
It's a perennial whinge, but it strikes me that if they open the doors to that sort of thing they'll have to go the whole hog and have more cameras than in 1984 (and nearly as many as in downtown Helsinki), and nobody will 'scape whipping.
I'd put one or six on both touchlines to catch the bu66ers who regularly steal ten yards at throw-ins, at least one on each player in the box at free-kicks and corners (that should whittle the numbers down to six-a-side inside the first 15 minutes), two dedicated cameras with sensitive microphones on all players at all times all over the park for off-the ball racist abuse, spitting, telling the opposition centre-half you just shagged his wife and she wasn't as good as his daughter, and other choice snippets of the game.
Sure it would be expensive and mightily disruptive, but the fines - index-linked to income - would more than cover the capital costs and before long the players would be begging the FA to bring back the one-eyed wonders in black.
Diving is cheating of course S. Hyypiä Oy Ltd. would never do that LFC players are all angelsWLM wrote:Hyypiä says he wants a video ref brought in for diving and dodgy "did it go in or not?" decisions.
.. but did it go in or not? Is a judgement aid for the officials.
Remember the England (world cup) V Germany when Geof Hurst's goal nearly started the 3rd world war. Demands for camera's or electronic eyes came from the losers ..they always do, not from the winners.
I think this electronic eye "aid" started at Wimbledon..Tennis not AFC.
I think there have also been occasions when the cameras have been accused of cheating and..wacked with rackets etc.
White stick and dog gifts, and oh oh what a referee songs and chants at referees have been part of the game for as long as football has been played as a "game."
But then I suppose we have to accept the football is only a "game" for a very few clubs nowdays..for the majority it is big business.
Lets replace refs and lines men with computor controled cameras and mikes..then lets replace the players with a computorised forecast of the score.
Disgraceful Sporting Incident
I rather enjoyed this wry entry on the Beeb's Premiership message boards:
Did anyone else here notice the disgraceful way in which Mikael Silvestre and Sylvan Wiltord left the pitch after yesterday's game chatting amiably?
What sort of example does this set for young kids? I think the FA should throw the book at them - maybe a nice colouring book that they can do together in the dressing room...
There have also been calls for Celebrity Death Match fights between... variously.. Wenger and Ferguson, Houllier and Souness, and Steve McClaren and David Moyes. I'd pay good money to see a bout between Peter Reid and Steve "Nosejob" Bruce - probably more than I'd pay to see Leeds play.
So we'll also need cameras in the dug-out and in the tunnel to and from the dressing rooms.
Did anyone else here notice the disgraceful way in which Mikael Silvestre and Sylvan Wiltord left the pitch after yesterday's game chatting amiably?
What sort of example does this set for young kids? I think the FA should throw the book at them - maybe a nice colouring book that they can do together in the dressing room...
There have also been calls for Celebrity Death Match fights between... variously.. Wenger and Ferguson, Houllier and Souness, and Steve McClaren and David Moyes. I'd pay good money to see a bout between Peter Reid and Steve "Nosejob" Bruce - probably more than I'd pay to see Leeds play.
So we'll also need cameras in the dug-out and in the tunnel to and from the dressing rooms.
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Actually I think a new 5th official with video replay facilities, that are also broadcast on the giant screen, sat at the edge of the pitch, would be a good idea. Any decisions that the referee was unsure about eg Pires or Nistelrooy this week, could be examined and a decision made within 2 to 3 minutes I reckon.WLM wrote:Hyypiä says he wants a video ref brought in for diving and dodgy "did it go in or not?" decisions.
The problem is it would be implausable to implement this technology at all levels of the game. So some clubs probably 1st division in Finland and maybe the 3rd in England would have to make do with the ref. Who will always make mistakes. (I've reffed maybe 2 hundred games and have always made at least one mistake in every one, some more costly than others).
The ref is part of the game and the decisions he makes are something that coaches and teams can't plan in advance for, these kind of extraneous variables (refs decisions, injuries etc) are part and parcel of the game.
What seems to be the problem now is players coaches and fans have no respect at all for the officials. Decisions that used to just be accepted aren't any more and players are pushing the boundaries and cheating more.
The ref has to make instant decisions based on something he saw for a split second. Obviously he will make mistakes. People should accept that but they dont.
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...Any decisions that the referee was unsure about...
Aye, but there's the rub. If it were 100% up to the referee to call on the 5th official, that's one thing, but you and I know that he would be second-guessed at every turn, that players would demand and badger him into calling on the 5th official, that managers would moan like hell when he does or when he doesn't, that the press and TV would have a field-day with "missed opportunities" to rectify injustices, and the situation you describe - in which all respect for the refs has gone - would hardly get any better.
Aye, but there's the rub. If it were 100% up to the referee to call on the 5th official, that's one thing, but you and I know that he would be second-guessed at every turn, that players would demand and badger him into calling on the 5th official, that managers would moan like hell when he does or when he doesn't, that the press and TV would have a field-day with "missed opportunities" to rectify injustices, and the situation you describe - in which all respect for the refs has gone - would hardly get any better.
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I don't know about that WLM. Most decisions in games are pretty obvious, there are only a few; tight offsides, strikers looking like they may have been impeded in the penalty box, 50 50 challenges etc in every game.WLM wrote:...Any decisions that the referee was unsure about...
Aye, but there's the rub. If it were 100% up to the referee to call on the 5th official, that's one thing, but you and I know that he would be second-guessed at every turn, that players would demand and badger him into calling on the 5th official, that managers would moan like hell when he does or when he doesn't, that the press and TV would have a field-day with "missed opportunities" to rectify injustices, and the situation you describe - in which all respect for the refs has gone - would hardly get any better.
I reckon the 5th official would be needed less than 10 times a game. And the players badger the ref, the managers moan all game and the press and TV have a field-day anyway so that would be nothing new.
Anyway i'm a linesman in a fourth division game tonite. I'll count how many decisions I reckon would have been 5th official material and let you know
I remember seeing a couple of years ago a new gadget that "would be placed inside one of the top corners", between the bar and the post that could read whether a ball has crossed the line or not. We're still waiting... 
Well, the 0-0 result got me 9pts in Fastasy League, so of course I'm happy.
Also happy to see that cheating seldom pays.
Well, the 0-0 result got me 9pts in Fastasy League, so of course I'm happy.
Also happy to see that cheating seldom pays.
"I don't know about that WLM. Most decisions in games are pretty obvious, there are only a few; tight offsides, strikers looking like they may have been impeded in the penalty box, 50 50 challenges etc in every game."
Don't mind me, Olly, it's just a hobby-horse I have. it's not really about "decisions", more about the ref not having eyes in the back of his head. I've read one too many times that "the referee didn't see it", and I've seen one too many times that the players KNEW the referee couldn't see it, and I've become quite disgusted with all the s-h1te that goes down off the ball and out of sight and out of mind in the professional game.
Sure, I guess it's always BEEN there, but with multiangle TV coverage available to all but the 30,000 in the stadium and the 22+3 on the pitch, and with our having these things exposed to us blatantly on a weekly basis, bleating about one aspect of the overall problem doesn't do it for me.
Either they clean it up properly, and face the consequences of major disciplinary action for ALL the infringements, or they might as well shut up. For every Ruud or Peres who goes down faster than Monica Lewinsky there are half a dozen centre-backs pulling shirts, elbowing in the kidneys, and doing WWF holds on strikers at corners and freekicks. And nobody's apparently complaining about THAT. You want cameras - show the whole grisly story. Hell, we see it every week already.
Don't mind me, Olly, it's just a hobby-horse I have. it's not really about "decisions", more about the ref not having eyes in the back of his head. I've read one too many times that "the referee didn't see it", and I've seen one too many times that the players KNEW the referee couldn't see it, and I've become quite disgusted with all the s-h1te that goes down off the ball and out of sight and out of mind in the professional game.
Sure, I guess it's always BEEN there, but with multiangle TV coverage available to all but the 30,000 in the stadium and the 22+3 on the pitch, and with our having these things exposed to us blatantly on a weekly basis, bleating about one aspect of the overall problem doesn't do it for me.
Either they clean it up properly, and face the consequences of major disciplinary action for ALL the infringements, or they might as well shut up. For every Ruud or Peres who goes down faster than Monica Lewinsky there are half a dozen centre-backs pulling shirts, elbowing in the kidneys, and doing WWF holds on strikers at corners and freekicks. And nobody's apparently complaining about THAT. You want cameras - show the whole grisly story. Hell, we see it every week already.