Interesting Stats: Foreigners In Finland

Sankalp · Post by **Sankalp** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:32 am

From the statistics
"Of the foreigners, 49.9 % are male and 50,1 % female. There are some variations according to country of origin; among Thais the percentage of women is 84, among Russians 62 and Estonians 58 while the number for Morocco is 29 %, Turkey 27 %, Great Britain 24 % and Germany 35 %"
It was quite amusing to read that

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arty fact · Post by **arty fact** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:47 am

By the way- if a muslim has more wives, can he bring them all here? Is it legal? Can they get married to other women (already having wives) in Finnish space?

tgabawm · Post by **tgabawm** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:59 am

I am quite sure they cannot marry more women in here..... Unless... Very interesting question...

Tom and Jerry · Post by **Tom and Jerry** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:17 am

arty fact wrote:By the way- if a muslim has more wives, can he bring them all here? Is it legal? Can they get married to other women (already having wives) in Finnish space?

Sure, with a tourist visum, of course. Bill Clinton was for instance here on a trip in 1996.

Otherwise when getting married you have to show a paper from the country of origin that you haven't been married or are not married.

eashton · Post by **eashton** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:17 am

Phil wrote:
Tom and Jerry wrote:For instance, how are the unemployment figures divided over the immigrants groups.
"Grrr!! Those foreigners come here to Finland to sit on ass all day and collect unemployment!"

"Grrr!! Those foreigners come here to Finland and take all of our good jobs!"

Yeah, the US just exports the job to India and parts of Asia except for those prime housekeeping and landscaping jobs they keep for the Mexicans.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:58 am

arty fact wrote:By the way- if a muslim has more wives, can he bring them all here? Is it legal? Can they get married to other women (already having wives) in Finnish space?

Well, no.
"Multiple marriage is not recognised by Finnish
legislation. For this reason, a residence permit can be
granted to one partner only. "

Homie Azteca · Post by **Homie Azteca** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:20 pm

Phil wrote:
This picture is taken from the "Virtual Finland: Foreigners in Finland" link from this thread.

Okay, now does anyone see anything kinda weird about this picture? It's kinda saying, "Here is a group of your typical foreigners in Finland" and the picture is a bunch of a homeboys dressed like thugs.

The dude second over from the left is drunk and can't stand up. The guy in the very right is giving the "East Coast" sign with his hands. And the guy second over from the right, I see him all the time hanging out in front of the downtown train station.

Hmmmm.........I wonder why (as it's stated just below the picture), "Finland, too, has its share of racism and hostility to foreigners"

"Foreigners in Finland: We don't want you here but our quota says otherwise."

I totally agree with you ... in this picture they are making foraigners look like mafia guys, which in some cases is true, but personallly this is offensive, cause I came here to study, I work, I maintain myself, and as finnish people think, that foraigners come here to live from the finnish goverment, which I'm not, and I won't.
I'm smart, and I can find my way thru; I've always have.

daive · Post by **daive** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:03 pm

Homie Azteca wrote:I totally agree with you ... in this picture they are making foraigners look like mafia guys, which in some cases is true, but personallly this is offensive, cause I came here to study, I work, I maintain myself, and as finnish people think, that foraigners come here to live from the finnish goverment, which I'm not, and I won't.
I'm smart, and I can find my way thru; I've always have.

That's right homie!

deojuvame · Post by **deojuvame** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:24 pm

It would be great if there was some sort of Finnish "Chinatown", like in other cities with a quantity of minorities. It would be spectacular to see the integration of the two cultures in an urban environment.

Or, failing that, a more decent selection of ethnic restraunts

deojuvame · Post by **deojuvame** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:37 pm

The largest group of refugees was formed by Somalis who unexpectedly arrived via the territory of the former Soviet Union, totalling about 4,500 by the end of 2002.

Can someone clear this point up a bit here? I don't really see what Somalia and the Soviet Union have to do with each other in regards to migration to Finland. What happened?

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:34 pm

Well, you just need to do your maths on it. Only place Somalis didn't need a visa for was USSR, and they had a service from Mogadishu with Aeroflot. In the "good old days" of the USSR the Somalis would have been quickly steel workers in Krasnoyarsk or some other quaint Siberian village chopping wood in a gulag. But after the fall of the USSR the Russians really didn't give a thought where they went - as long as they didn't stay - or they didn't care if they stayed - illegals don't get any pampering in Russia - the first "western" country they could easily reach was Finland. So one morning there was all of a sudden a ferry from Tallinn full of Somalians in the harbor...

Something about USSR/Russia never signing some agreement; if someone comes say from Sweden or Germany, they're booted back as they are "safe countries".

Tom and Jerry · Post by **Tom and Jerry** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:42 pm

arabella wrote:
The largest group of refugees was formed by Somalis who unexpectedly arrived via the territory of the former Soviet Union, totalling about 4,500 by the end of 2002.
Can someone clear this point up a bit here? I don't really see what Somalia and the Soviet Union have to do with each other in regards to migration to Finland. What happened?

I don't know where the quote came from. Anyhow, this is about refugees (pakolaiset). They came to Finland in the period 1992-1994 about 5000. They form the largest group of refugees in Finland and they usually arrived through Russia in that period.

Foreigners in Finland come from all kind of countries, and their juridical status is quite different. Somalia and the Soviet-Union have nothing to do with each other.

There gives sometimes confusion in the Finnish language since one word (ulkomaalaiset) is used for all. So, you may read for instance today in the newspaper: the law on foreigners will be changed (ulkomaalaislaki). But, since I am from another EU-country, that doesn't apply for me.

tjawatts · Post by **tjawatts** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:46 pm

Tom and Jerry wrote:But, since I am from another EU-country, that doesn't apply for me.

I wouldnt be 100% sure about that. When you go to the police station to register or the magistrate where do you go? To the desk marked ulkomaalaiset that is where! There might be different rules for EU citizens but we are still consider ulkomaalaiset.

Tony

deojuvame · Post by **deojuvame** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:48 pm

Tom and Jerry wrote:
arabella wrote:
The largest group of refugees was formed by Somalis who unexpectedly arrived via the territory of the former Soviet Union, totalling about 4,500 by the end of 2002.
Can someone clear this point up a bit here? I don't really see what Somalia and the Soviet Union have to do with each other in regards to migration to Finland. What happened?
I don't know where the quote came from. Anyhow, this is about refugees (pakolaiset). They came to Finland in the period 1992-1994 about 5000. They form the largest group of refugees in Finland and they usually arrived through Russia in that period.

Foreigners in Finland come from all kind of countries, and their juridical status is quite different. Somalia and the Soviet-Union have nothing to do with each other.

There gives sometimes confusion in the Finnish language since one word (ulkomaalaiset) is used for all. So, you may read for instance today in the newspaper: the law on foreigners will be changed (ulkomaalaislaki). But, since I am from another EU-country, that doesn't apply for me.

The quote came from about halfway down the article (URL in the first post). Did the law change for foreigners you mentioned only apply to refugees, or to all ulkomaalaiset?

Tom and Jerry · Post by **Tom and Jerry** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:03 pm

arabella wrote:Did the law change for foreigners you mentioned only apply to refugees, or to all ulkomaalaiset?

The name is 'ulkomaalaislaki', for all those without Finnish citizenship.
That law changed a bit for refugees (nimenomaan pikakäännytys).

It makes in practice difference between EU-citizens, other countries and refugees. The exact text from this law is somewhere on the site of virtual Finland.

As EU-citizen the main problems you come across in daily life are the different taxes between EU-countries (insurance, car-taxes) and the validation of the education from another EU-country.

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