matter of surnames

lamatervo · Post by **lamatervo** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:11 am

hola...
Please, I need some advice...
I got married here and I changed my surname that day. Then I applyed for residence permit and I got it after a long wait.
Then I applyed for the identification card at the Poliisi, together with KELA, and three days later they call me saying they can´t transact my files cause the surname I have in my passport (maiden one) is not the same as the name I have nowadays.
They force me to get a new passport with my new surname.
Buuuut, in my country there is not such a law where you can change your name just because you got married, so, I called my Embassy and of course they rattified this for me. There is no possibility of getting a new passport with other surname... and even they suggested me in my Embassy that taking the marriage certifying should be enough cause of course one piece of paper is showing that I am the same person.
Buuuut... it seems in the Poliisi they don´t believe me

and they sent me back again to the Embassy for a new passport.
Old topic, I cannot get a new passport...
Please , I know all of you have more brain than me in this matter... any suggestion what on earth to do???
Thank you very much for efforting

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ilikepeanutbutter · Post by **ilikepeanutbutter** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:47 am

lamatervo wrote:hola...
Please, I need some advice...
I got married here and I changed my surname that day. Then I applyed for residence permit and I got it after a long wait.
Then I applyed for the identification card at the Poliisi, together with KELA, and three days later they call me saying they can´t transact my files cause the surname I have in my passport (maiden one) is not the same as the name I have nowadays.
They force me to get a new passport with my new surname.
Buuuut, in my country there is not such a law where you can change your name just because you got married, so, I called my Embassy and of course they rattified this for me. There is no possibility of getting a new passport with other surname... and even they suggested me in my Embassy that taking the marriage certifying should be enough cause of course one piece of paper is showing that I am the same person.
Buuuut... it seems in the Poliisi they don´t believe me and they sent me back again to the Embassy for a new passport.
Old topic, I cannot get a new passport...
Please , I know all of you have more brain than me in this matter... any suggestion what on earth to do???
Thank you very much for efforting

Hi!

There are all sorts of confusing things that happen with residence permits, like for example the 100 euro fee. I remember when it was 26 euros to get it renewed, ah the good old days.

lol

What country are you from?

I'm from America and I didn't get a new passport. After marriage we just took a trip back to my homecountry and I found a change of name form online. I mailed my passport and the form and they just put a stamp in my passport saying the name has changed. It took about 4 weeks.

Could you just get an adment (spelling) to your passport just saying your name has changed?

Sorry that's all I know, good luck! Hank should post, he is all-knowledgeable

lol

Kat

lamatervo · Post by **lamatervo** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:07 am

yep, I know Hank is the superhero in these matters

I am from Argentina, and I CANNOT make a name change cause we have not such law...
I asked directly from my country POlice , not only from Embassy now... and no new name allowed by them.
And I didn´t pay that money for the residence permit...

Thanks for advice!!

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:21 am

The simple act of getting married does not automatically "change your name". It is just that in most countries it is customary/tradional for a woman to be called by her husband's name and most women chose to make this official by changing their ID documents such as KELA card, driver's licence, bank account, passport etc.. However there is no obligation to do this as far as I know. When I got married I changed NONE of my documents. I still have my passport, driver's licence etc in my own name. When I came to Finland I applied for my KELA card and resident's card in my own name.

I think you should have requested a KELA card in your own name so that it matches with your passport. The golden rule is, I guess, you have to chose one or the other: you can't juggle with both names unless you choose to hyphenate them which is also a possibility though I don't know how that works.

As for your Turkish passport, you could request (from your consulate) the addition of a typed statement on one page in your passport saying :
THE HOLDER IS THE WIFE OF XXXXXX XXXXXX
I have this statement in my British passport. It was added as a precaution for when I travel with my kids (and without my husband). My children travel on Finnish passports (and use their father's surname) so I wanted to be to prove that I am their mother!!!! I think the comment was printed for free, it is simply typed across one of the visa stamp pages. I don't know if this would be an adequate solution for KELA....

Anyway.... I think you should ask for some information from the KELA office also rather than the police. But my guess is that if you cannot change your surname in your Turkish passport then you will have to apply for a KELA card and ID in your maiden name (ie your own name). Try and find out if there is a Turkish ex-pat association in Helsinki.... (I'm sure there is...) there must be other Turkish women here who have been through the same bureaucracy and they might be able to help.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:22 am

Well, it sounds like a classic catch-22 situation. So when can one change their name in Argentina then? Basically in Finland one does not need to change their name getting married - but as long as you have your name depending on the Argentinian law it will be quite hard to change - I mean you cannot have two names in official papers (Live here as "Virtanen" and travel as "de la Mantequilla") - imagine being stopped somewhere in a 3rd country as you have "false papers" and put back on an airplane because your residence permit and passport do not match?

Penelope - Turkish? Me drunk or you?

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:37 am

Hank W. wrote:
Penelope - Turkish? Me drunk or you?

No, just hallucinating I guess. NO IDEA where I got the Turkish bit from. I think she posted the Argentinian info while I was writing my post so I didn't see that

Not drunk though.... I'm in sole charge of the kids this weekend as dh has gone hunting for food for the winter. So on best behavior, as always

But whatever.... I agree with you, since you agreed with me anyway... you can't have a passport in one name and KELA ID in in another. So I think she will have to stick with her maiden name. Or try and get it hyphenated. Or wait until she can get citizenship maybe.... Which would not prevent her from using her husband's name informally. A lot of people automatically refer to me as Mrs. Husband'sName as they just assume I don't have a name of my own.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:41 am

Well, in principle the hyphenation is basically the same as a name change, so unless its on the passport...

BTW I think deprived of the mornings sugar fix you were hallucinating for Turkish delights

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:43 am

Hank W. wrote:
BTW I think deprived of the mornings sugar fix you were hallucinating for Turkish delights

....mmmm the ones with the pistacchios!

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:53 am

Well, whats in a name? Ask Google.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16 ... 01,00.html

ajdias · Post by **ajdias** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:41 am

lamatervo wrote:hola...
Please, I need some advice...
I got married here and I changed my surname that day. Then I applyed for residence permit and I got it after a long wait.
Then I applyed for the identification card at the Poliisi, together with KELA, and three days later they call me saying they can´t transact my files cause the surname I have in my passport (maiden one) is not the same as the name I have nowadays.
They force me to get a new passport with my new surname.
Buuuut, in my country there is not such a law where you can change your name just because you got married, so, I called my Embassy and of course they rattified this for me. There is no possibility of getting a new passport with other surname... and even they suggested me in my Embassy that taking the marriage certifying should be enough cause of course one piece of paper is showing that I am the same person.
Buuuut... it seems in the Poliisi they don´t believe me and they sent me back again to the Embassy for a new passport.
Old topic, I cannot get a new passport...
Please , I know all of you have more brain than me in this matter... any suggestion what on earth to do???
Thank you very much for efforting

Hola!

I suggest you have your partner calling the ministry (interior affairs?) and ask them for a solution, it is possible that Kaajani's police has not ever had a case like that.

It seems that authorities aren't always updated regarding these rules that apply only in certain cases. When we had our first child we were told at the magistrate that we could not give him a double surname, as it is used in Portugal (without th dash). My wife called the ministry and got it straight "yes, you are allowed" and when I visited the consulate I was told "tell them to call us, we're used to this"

In the end we registered the baby with no problems, but had the information to question the official in case him/her would deny us the right.

ajdias · Post by **ajdias** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:43 am

Hank W. wrote:Well, whats in a name? Ask Google.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16 ... 01,00.html

Forget Page and Brin, Wahid is the real father!
(and to think that this idiot has an PhD

)

lamatervo · Post by **lamatervo** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:23 pm

Hank W. wrote:Well, it sounds like a classic catch-22 situation. So when can one change their name in Argentina then? Basically in Finland one does not need to change their name getting married - but as long as you have your name depending on the Argentinian law it will be quite hard to change - I mean you cannot have two names in official papers (Live here as "Virtanen" and travel as "de la Mantequilla") - imagine being stopped somewhere in a 3rd country as you have "false papers" and put back on an airplane because your residence permit and passport do not match?
:

Hank, totally right... We cannot change our names in Argentina, there is no law allowing you such thing. But the interestign fact is that I have under the residence permit stamp, handwritten lines saying my surname here after marriage is Tervo, with the stamp of kihlakunnan poliisilaitos, and I think this should be taken as clarification that Me is Me after married to Tervo... as Penelope was saying...
I am concluding through all your suggestions that the best choice is to step back to teh Maistraati again and somehow change my name to maiden one back... and have all my papers with my original name...
I just hope they do this in the Maistraati

Thank you very much for lending me your ideas!!!!

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:43 pm

Oh, its live and learn. Never knew Argentina had such a law.

lamatervo · Post by **lamatervo** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:19 pm

joo... it has, I mean, not all the countries let you change your surname when you got married, and Argentina is one of them, also Uruguay, in that country the most you can change if you want is to add your spouse´s name after yours.
Also if you have a surname deserving the mock of everybody (when being quite sounding as slang dirty volcabulary) you have to pay quite a lot of money and they let you change one or two of the characters to change the sounding. Stupid but true. And if you don´t fit in this group, you are dying with the surname you were born, no way.

therese · Post by **therese** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:55 pm

Exactly the same thing happened to me.
I registered in Oulu maistratti in my married name.
The Oulu maistratti let me do this because I had a copy of a marriage certificate with an apostile on it.
An apostile is a stamp that your embassy attaches to the marriage certificate - it proves that the marriage certificate is real.

However, I continued to have problems because my passport was in my maiden name, and I don't drive. Which meant I had no official ID because my passport was in my maiden name and I don't have a driver's licence.

SO
option 1 - change your maistratti registration back to your maiden name.
This is the name in your passport after all. They can't argue with your passport.
You have nothing in your married name, so why not.

Even if you want to take your husband's name, does it really matter if you have your maiden name in official documents.
Who's to know? You will only use it at the doctor and the tax office.

This is what I did.
I didn't have to get a new passport or any official statements in my passport.

option 2 - this may sound ridiculous but...
Change your name by deed poll to your married name.
I think it costs around 100 euros to change your name.
This is something Espoo maistratti suggested.

option 3
Get the apostile on your marriage certificate.
Then you should be able to register at maistratti under your married name.
Of course, then you have no official ID - but you do get to use your married name. And you can always use a driver's licence as official ID.

therese

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