Draft government bill on EC long-term resident status

[Hank W.]

If the local police turn down the application, then place the matter before the administrative court with a request to refer to the ECJ for a binding ruling on the material conditions of eligibility for EC long-term resident status. Pursue this to the Supreme Administrative Court and petition the ECJ directly if necessary

After which 5-10 years the process takes you've already retired and living in Spain probably.

[daryl]

If the local police turn down the application, then place the matter before the administrative court with a request to refer to the ECJ for a binding ruling on the material conditions of eligibility for EC long-term resident status. Pursue this to the Supreme Administrative Court and petition the ECJ directly if necessary

After which 5-10 years the process takes you've already retired and living in Spain probably.

You don't pursue this through the courts for your own sake, but for the sake of others who will benefit from a correct interpretation of the Directive that has been confirmed by the court.

In this case you may also do so for the entertainment value of seeing the Finnish government struggling to explain the bizarre and convoluted metaphysics of the old status code system to an international court.

daryl

[Hank W.]

In this case you may also do so for the entertainment value of seeing the Finnish government struggling to explain the bizarre and convoluted metaphysics of the old status code system to an international court.

I think the entertainment value indeed is the only benefit here. I'm just underlining the "fact of life" to some newbie straight off Ryanair that imagines the "system works" in Finland. It "works" allright, but it is about as quick as a sloth on valium, so one should not expect the process to last any shorter time that what it takes to just sit and wait for the years to pass.

I'm really interested to see how the EU immigration legislation goes forth, and how the governments react. If you compare Finland with say Denmark, Finland seems to be a piece of cake re. immigration.

[network_engineer]

Dear Daryl, Hank et al.

I agree with Daryl's intent where he says "You don't pursue this through the courts for your own sake, but for the sake of others who will benefit from a correct interpretation of the Directive that has been confirmed by the court."

I must admit, I am getting more interested in how to shove the correct interpretation down the whole chain and system, down the throat of all the authorities and the officials involved and plug up their backside so the correct interpretations don't escape. Just so that they don't become a nuisance for all applicants. Once and for all.

I am drawn back in to the discussions on the f*&-#¤g status codes issue. Numerous times it has been to the court, even to the Supreme Administrative court, where it has been clearly ruled on, i.e. that status codes do not reflec the true nature of residence in a number of cases, however, it is yet to propagate through the messy chain of communication between the Interior Ministry's Immigration Department, UVI, and the Poliisi.

The current situation is as such: An applicant can correctly apply for a certain right, however, the UVI turns it down based on the status code, goes down the appeal path, and finally gets it. Like I've stressed before, the applicant has won the war, UVI won the battle (that's what it feels like now).

Sure, enough, I also agree with Daryl when he says "One of the problems here IMHO is that people tend to think democracy and justice merely happen with no effort and are achieved once -and-for-all. This is not the case. Democracy and justice are the fruit of ongoing processes that sometimes require the most strenuous application. It seems to me that the kaikki-mulle-heti generation has some problems in coming to terms with this reality"

I just feel that this status f----ing codes issue is close to dead, yet still alive.

Back to my original question (to which I've always sought an answer): Any way to shove it down?

Daryl, did you not say that there are senior officials in the Ministry, UVI etc. who are correctly informed and aware of this issue? Any possibilities to PM or publish their names?

Cheers.