Nurses threaten with mass resignations

[Timbeh]

When this industrial action ends, the parties to the agreement (Tehy and the Commission for Local Authority Employers) can also agree on taking the employees back as "old" employees with the same conditions and benefits they had before the dispute. According to Tehy their members will not return to work before the employers agree on that.

TEHY will probably not be in any position to demand something like that. Legally the employers have no obligation to rehire them as old employees and considering how drastic measures TEHY is prepared to use they should also then be prepared for similarly drastic consequences.

[zam]

Majority of Finns back health care staff's resignation campaign:
http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id72739.html

[simon]

Majority of Finns back health care staff's resignation campaign:
http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id72739.html

Thats no surprise there. The politicians are lying through their front teeth and its got to the point where enough is enough, and yet they still lie. Joe public is starting to see them for what they are

[Hank W.]

Psychic students from China
Try to apply for university education
Little girls from Brazil
Dream of heavy metal fornication
And if you want these kind of dreams
It's Finlandization

It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Väyrynen
sells Finlandization

[stevoe]

Psychic students from China
Try to apply for university education
Little girls from Brazil
Dream of heavy metal fornication
And if you want these kind of dreams
It's Finlandization

It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Väyrynen
sells Finlandization

Dear Hank....can you re-write that in something understandable by me...not very clever here....

steve

[Hank W.]

You need to listen to RedHotChiliPeppers, man

[otyikondo]

You need to listen to RedHotChiliPeppers, man

Hey Hank, don't fret. I got it in one, and I'm like OLD as DIRT, man. Keep up the lyricing. Since the nurses are now being cast as outlaws by some, maybe I'll have a shot at adapting Friend of the Devil. Or maybe Folsom Prison Blues.

[Alexander]

The Finnish nurses have to gain their pay rise.How can a country like Finland have their nurses earning 83%of the European average.Do the health boards not realise that because of the poor salaries and bad working conditions their highly qualified and respected nurses migrate to Swedwn,Norway,UK and Saudi.Tehy has had to take a stand because of this.There is going to be utter chaos in the health system as the first group of resigning nurses are in the most critical areas,They are the most specialised.Where do the health boards think they will get replacements from;Asia or ex eastern block countries where the salaries are only slightly lousier than in Finland.The standard of Finnish health care has to be kept and the only way is to respect their workers and to give them a dignified salary and working conditions,if not "God help Finland",open up your eyes employers.Good luck Tehy.

[mCowboy]

The Finnish nurses have to gain their pay rise.How can a country like Finland have their nurses earning 83%of the European average.

I don't think that's a good comparison, since Finland is generally below the average in all the salaries when compared to western European averages. Better comparison would be nurses' salary in comparison to some other field in Finland.

[Alexander]

The Finnish cost of living compared to the rest of the western world is also very high.Look at the figures.If you are comparing salaries.Examples please.

[mCowboy]

The Finnish cost of living compared to the rest of the western world is also very high.Look at the figures.If you are comparing salaries.Examples please.

Yes and the Finnish salaries in all the fields are generally lower than in the Western Europe, therefore by comparing the any salaries to European average, you'll see that there's a gap -> all the salaries should be raised based on that comparison. Therefore I don't believe that it's a valid comparison.

If you want to compare the nurses (mainly women) salary to other commune jobs, you'll see that male dominated jobs have a higher average salary. Male average 2793e vs female 2247e.

[mCowboy]

Prices in Europe 2002



Taxation in Finland 2004 (the blue line is 13 EU countries' average



Finnish purchasing power is the 4th last in EU. Finnish salaries are European average, but taxation and prices are relative high.

Therefore your comparison is not working. I'm not dismissing the fact that in Finland, the nurses salaries are low, but the comparison needs to be done with among other Finnish salaries.

[Alexander]

Dont really understand what you are trying to say.The average Finnish nurses salary is actually less than than the average Finnish womans salary then.It only goes to show then that the tehy have all the rights to try and get a dignified salary for their highly skilled members.Good luck to them anyway.The latest poll in Finland showed that only 25% of the population are against their rise.So at least the average Fin agrees with their requests.The nurses salaries have to catch up with professionals who have the same skill and reponsability level.What is your example to compare the nurse with?Id be interested to see.Salary/Skill and responsability factor.When the reignations come into being then the employers will relise their importance.It seems the rest of the Finnish population does anyway.Except for the politicions that is.What happened to the promises of putting the nurses salaries into line with the rest of Europe(published worldwide)I did not say this the new governing body of Finland said it.Looking here from the outside if they do not fulfill their promises they will be made to look a bit"untruthfull".Dont you think?Its interesting looking from the outside in.Its interesting listening to the minister of health(ex nurse,ex tehy),trying to wiggle out of her previously quoted comments,having to follow the party line,Will the dispute bring down the goverment?Only time will tell.

[Alexander]

Dont really understand what you are trying to say.The average Finnish nurses salary is actually less than than the average Finnish womans salary then.It only goes to show then that the tehy have all the rights to try and get a dignified salary for their highly skilled members.Good luck to them anyway.The latest poll in Finland showed that only 25% of the population are against their rise.So at least the average Fin agrees with their requests.The nurses salaries have to catch up with professionals who have the same skill and reponsability level.What is your example to compare the nurse with?Id be interested to see.Salary/Skill and responsability factor.When the reignations come into being then the employers will relise their importance.It seems the rest of the Finnish population does anyway.Except for the politicions that is.What happened to the promises of putting the nurses salaries into line with the rest of Europe(published worldwide)I did not say this the new governing body of Finland said it.Looking here from the outside if they do not fulfill their promises they will be made to look a bit"untruthfull".Dont you think?Its interesting looking from the outside in.Its interesting listening to the minister of health(ex nurse,ex tehy),trying to wiggle out of her previously quoted comments,having to follow the party line,Will the dispute bring down the goverment?Only time will tell.

[Alexander]

The year is 2007.Old figures old ideas sorry.