Unemployment Money from Kela

[mpjacko]

Can anyone help?

I move to Finland from the UK at the end of July to be with my girlfriend who as worked here for over two years. I have just completed my PhD and moved over to join her. Why I was looking for work, I went to the employment office to get the unemployment money from Kela. After weeks of collecting P45's and other letters from work stating when I finished work and why, MOL approved my case and said I was entitled to 6 weeks worth of back dated unemployment money.

I filled out a form and took it to kela who told me that as I was not married and not been living in the country for 6 months, I was not entitled to any money. The funny thing was that nobody at MOL knew about this rule. My friend who also claimed the money but is married got the money after a month of coming across.

Mol are going to enrolled me on the 10 month Finnish course but I won’t get paid any unemployment money and the 8 euro extra training allowance until Feb.

Has anyone come across this problem? MOL have told me to appeal to the decision

Thanks

[rinso]

MOL have told me to appeal to the decision

Easy for them to say, they don't pay.
Kela is notorious difficult when it comes to paying. If you're a special case, they find all kind of reasons not to pay or at least to delay.
Prepare for a long fight.

[Hank W.]

I thought jobs jumped out of the bushes and bit people on the nose. What happened to positive thinking

[Hank W.]

they find all kind of reasons not to pay

I think they should rename KELA the "unpayment office"

[vincebel]

Prepare for a long fight.

dont scare me

im starting round four. in the fight Vince against KELA. ive got some news. last week they told me my application form was in order due to family reasons and they told me to wait for an answer.

[adamo]

Hey,

Sorry but I might be repeating the same question!
A foreigner who is coming to live here for family/work reasons is entitled to some financial help from Kela or no?

What are the conditions then? Do Kela pay the allowance counting from the first day of arrival?

Many thanks

[mdn]

A foreigner who is coming to live here for family/work reasons is entitled to some financial help from Kela or no?

For family reasons - usually yes.

For work - of course no.
You must to live permanently here - or have at least employment agreement for 2 years (or more).
In case if you will lost your work and decide to ask KELA for help - perhaps they consider your application, but also they will inform police/uvi - and due to expiring reason for your residence permit - you will lost it.

[Hank W.]

A foreigner who is coming to live here for family/work reasons is entitled to some financial help from Kela or no?

For family reasons - usually yes.

For work - of course no.
You must to live permanently here - or have at least employment agreement for 2 years (or more).

Well, KELA healthcare benefits of course; but as for unemployment benefits - if you come here to work, you then work. If you come here to sit your thumb in the ass - I mean look for work - then you're a tourist until you get the job which you came here for, and then get to be a domiciled resident (getting residency for family reasons is slightly trickier, or maybe on the one hand easier)... It says in the EU laws you can freely come and look. It says nowhere you shall find or be given. like going to the pub - you can go in but the bouncer can also throw you out

Now if you happen to be on the dole back at home in an EU country (or EEA actually) then theres this workers mobility thing you can transfer your home dole to Finland for the time allowed (3 months). However if you quit your job and pop over to Finland they'll give you a "piss off" as thats not "jobseeking" according to the EU definition you have to have been on the dole at home.

One important thing for employment-based benefits is you have to belong to an unemployment fund. Either run by union or something like http://www.ytk.fi
after 10 months you're entitled to unemployment benefits in case you get laid off (quitting causes 3 months quarantine). You can be working 100 years, but if you don't belong to a fund you are on KELA basic which is jack. Just a wake-up for people. Nobody tells you this because "everybody knows it" and you never asked... better to feel a moment of stupid now than at KELA when they tell you "piss off"

[vincebel]

so you mean that even if im now a permanent resident for family reasons i still have to wait 10 months for KELA benefits?

[Hank W.]

No, you can get on the "jack shyte" integration allowance, as in KELA "basic". Real "dole" is another thing.

[krash]

I filled out a form and took it to kela who told me that as I was not married and not been living in the country for 6 months, I was not entitled to any money.

Thanks

Hi when i moved over from uk i was not married to my finnish woman and i was able to get unemployment money from kela, although it did take 3 months for them to start paying though!

[jouni]

People should not just get unemployment money (työttömyyspäiväraha, if that's what you are talking about) if they have not worked here and paid tax (I don't mean VAT) here

[Rosamunda]

People should not just get unemployment money (työttömyyspäiväraha, if that's what you are talking about) if they have not worked here and paid tax (I don't mean VAT) here

er... why not?

Any Finn can go to the UK do the same. It's called Europe.

And last time I read a newspaper Finland was crying out for immigrant labour.

Personally I have more of an issue with my tax money paying for alcoholics to go into rehab, than subsidising foreigners who come here looking for work.

[superiorinferior]

Personally I have more of an issue with my tax money paying for alcoholics to go into rehab, than subsidising foreigners who come here looking for work.

What if looking for work becomes so overwhelming that the foreigner develops a drinking problem and ends up in rehab?

Double indemnity?

[Hank W.]

Any Finn can go to the UK do the same. It's called Europe.
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Correct if I am totally wrong but to get JSA you need to have among other things a National Insurance number, for which you need to be present and habitually resident in the UK, nevermind the interview one of course can take in Finnish?