integration programm

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:06 pm

[quote="vincebel" can stop whenever we want and put the finnish lessons stuff in the cv][/quote]

You better be fluent then, as you need to put your tongue where your money is

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vincebel · Post by **vincebel** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:10 pm

just to know what are the conditions to get into this programm?
do we have to get a kela card or be assimilated as a resident or to be a finnish citizen or to get the finnish id number?

thanks

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:14 pm

vincebel wrote:just to know what are the conditions to get into this programm?
do we have to get a kela card or be assimilated as a resident or to be a finnish citizen or to get the finnish id number?

Vince, your question sounds as if you've not informed yourself yet properly about how things work here yet, despite all the info that has been thrown at you.... which in turn doesn't really motivate me to comment on your issue too much further, to be honest.

But anyway:
- what do you mean by "assimilated as a resident"? To register with the maistraatti and get the henkilötunnus is necessary for anything, be it a job or the integration programme. Unless you prefer to work illegally of course. But then you're @#$% in many ways should you hurt yourself or get sick or of course get caught. But that's your decision too.

- and about "having" to get a kela card -- well, if you prefer to live uninsured then you don't need it, but if you want someone else (= the Finnish state = taxpayers) to pay your medical bills, you better get one. And again, getting the kela card isn't as such dependent on the intergration programme, but yes, in order for Kela to pay your benefits, you need a kela card!

- finnish citizenship is completely irrelevant, you don't need it as an eu citizen unless you want to vote in finnish national elections

I find your questions really confusing. Especially because with your situation, i.e. having a child here, getting into the "system" is so much easier than for many other EU citizens. Unlike those who don't have family here, you have immediate access to all kinds of support from the Finnish state, and you seem to not appreciate this at all, at least you dont seem very proactive in trying to read the numerous posts already written, or maybe go and see the authorities yourself and ask them in person. So I, for one, feel like I am and have been wasting my time, frankly, in answering to your queries.

In short: go and re-read all the information you've already got and try to get things progress. And if you have further questions, go to the offices and ask them in person!!
There's also the following websites where you can extract info from:

http://www.maistraatti.fi
http://www.kela.fi
http://www.poliisi.fi

vincebel · Post by **vincebel** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:26 pm

your question sounds as if you've not informed yourself yet properly about how things work here yet

Do you know how much time i spent in numerous offices here in kokkola and all i get is "you ll be advised by post in two weeks" and maybe my mailbox is reacting badly against post men but i got nothing yet

and about "having" to get a kela card -- well, if you prefer to live uninsured then you don't need it, but if you want someone else (= the Finnish state = taxpayers) to pay your medical bills, you better get one

I went to kela three months ago to fill all the papers and they said that ill get an answer in two weeks and...still nothing, even no answers. each time i go there the said that my file is somewhere on someones office

having a child here, getting into the "system" is so much easier than for many other EU citizens. Unlike those who don't have family here, you have immediate access to all kinds of support from the Finnish state

I havent received anything yet. compared to some people on the forum who get the kela card after three weeks

So I, for one, feel like I am and have been wasting my time, frankly, in answering to your queries.

This seems to be a finnish attitude toward foreigners who try to understand something. Example if you got on mol.fi or kela.fi, 90 percent of the information is only in finnish

vincebel · Post by **vincebel** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:30 pm

anyway thanks for your help

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:35 pm

In case you're wondering, I'm not Finnish either, but someone who moved to Finland in a similar situation as yourself (only without any "officially acceptable" family ties) and I got all my information by going to officials and ask them and by the trial and error system.

By the way it took from 2.11. until 21.12. until I got my kela card last year.

If you have been to all those places and read all the posts etc, then that's good, but I don't understand your questions then? You asked about the conditions of the programme, if you have to be a resident and have a kela card etc, and the short answer is, yes, you have to have all the bureaucracy done. If you've read all the info given to you already, I dont see why you need to ask this again. I'm sorry that the bureacracy is working so inefficiently in your case, but still your questions sounded confusing.

Have you registered with the police?

vincebel · Post by **vincebel** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:46 pm

yeah did everything but i just ask questions on this forum because i was given so many wrong informations in the offices and papers that they didnt make me fill.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:10 pm

Short answer: You need to be registered as an unemployed at the employment office and have a blue card from them so you then get put in the intergration programme.

Long answer: You have to have all the right papers in the right order, so when you have the EU-resident paper from the police and then gone to maistraatti and have your residence in kokkola as a permanent domicile, (which you need for that KELA card anyways) then they might not say "piss off". Unless you have the wrong papers in the wrong order of course.

Jahnny · Post by **Jahnny** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:33 pm

Comedic aside........

To quote the hobbit looking person in the unemployment office, when I said I wanted to discuss my integration plan

"Well there's not much to discuss if you cant speak Finnish."

Then I filled in the applcation for the finnish course. Which looked awesome, something like 300 hours of tuition. I got accepted to it but then had to start a job instead.

Only problem was the advert and application form were in Finnish. (But I guess you already knew that)

Well, good luck.

Faithful · Post by **Faithful** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:20 pm

That money is only beneficial if you don't pay rent and transport and do not need to buy lunch.
Also if you get to comprehend the system well then you are equal to a student since as a student you get benefits your price is reduced by the show of your id then you could rent a student appartment but with the programme you aint a job a student but job seeker.
Then the truth of the matter i know 30 people who have done the courses for more than 5years and got no job for language in addition to their masters in it business name it.
So strategise and weigh the options if you are a stay at home guy probably in a relation where the other half is working and coping well with bills then go ahead but remember many immigrants also want the same

hychamaz · Post by **hychamaz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:54 pm

blaugrau wrote:EDIT: Read the Kela pages, there's more info in the Finnish version, eg. that the daily allowance nowadays is about 23,91 euro a day and that you get 4,53 euro a day extra when you have a child.

I am in this same situation. I have been waiting about 5 weeks now for my Kela card to come but in the meantime I registered at the employment office. They told me that they are sending me an appointment to come down and speak to someone there one to one. I am going to take the classes and look for a job at the same time. Best way!
My question is regarding some of these figures here. What exactly is that 23.91 and the 4.53. I have been told that I will get 17 euros for unemployment and 8 euros more for the integration program. Totaling 25 euros a day. I haven´t been in the system long enough to qualify for the small paternity money (so Íve been told). What is this extra 4.53 as my wife is due to give birth in a couple of months. Thanks for anyone clearing this all up.

vincebel · Post by **vincebel** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:50 pm

I am in this same situation. I have been waiting about 5 weeks now for my Kela card to come but in the meantime I registered at the employment office

how did you do??? in the employment office they told me that i can not register if i havent my kela card...

hychamaz · Post by **hychamaz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:06 pm

In the employment office I just filled out a form (which was in Finnish so my wife had to help) and showed them my passport. On the form it just asked for my personal ID number that I assume you have from registering yourself with the magestrates. That was it. I would go back so that you get into the system ASAP. The Kela card is for your social security benefits. At the employment office you are just registering as unemployed. Then they will send you an appointment in th email to meet with someone there.

debonaire · Post by **debonaire** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:09 pm

hychamaz wrote:
blaugrau wrote:EDIT: Read the Kela pages, there's more info in the Finnish version, eg. that the daily allowance nowadays is about 23,91 euro a day and that you get 4,53 euro a day extra when you have a child.
I am in this same situation. I have been waiting about 5 weeks now for my Kela card to come but in the meantime I registered at the employment office. They told me that they are sending me an appointment to come down and speak to someone there one to one. I am going to take the classes and look for a job at the same time. Best way!
My question is regarding some of these figures here. What exactly is that 23.91 and the 4.53. I have been told that I will get 17 euros for unemployment and 7 euros more for the integration program. Totaling 25 euros a day. I haven´t been in the system long enough to qualify for the small paternity money (so Íve been told). What is this extra 4.53 as my wife is due to give birth in a couple of months. Thanks for anyone clearing this all up.

Like blaugrau has said,23.91 is the unemployment money and 4.53 is the increased allowance for a child...You will be eligible to claim that 4.53 after your wife has given birth...In addition to the basic unemployment money which is €23.91, you are also eligible to claim another €8 taxfree/ working day if you are enrolled in some language course or other labor market training...Usually KELA pays you this money with an interval of 4 weeks...You will have to pay about 20% tax on the basic unemployment allowance of €23.91(and €4.53 in case you have a child)...€8/day is your maintenence allowance which is taxfree...
After the employment office makes a favorable decision in your case, KELA will send you a letter explaining the total allowance that you are entitlted to and how much tax you would be paying...

debonaire · Post by **debonaire** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:12 pm

vincebel wrote:
I am in this same situation. I have been waiting about 5 weeks now for my Kela card to come but in the meantime I registered at the employment office
how did you do??? in the employment office they told me that i can not register if i havent my kela card...

You don't need a Kela card to register at employment office...All they need is your social security number so that they can verify that you are part of the system

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