What is with this forum?!!!!!

[Oombongo]

[rinso]

So you have no authority to dismiss my opinions as trashtalk

What I see is bad language and an excuse "he started..."
and a repetition of the same statements.
It just isn't constructive for the discussion.

And Oombongo, I totally agree.

[sinikala]

It is disgusting and ironic to find out that a forum designed to help immigrants is hell bent on shunning them out of Finland...People sitting in far away places like Australia,who have no practical experience of living in Finland, are warning others of the consequences of living in Finland...

It may be incorrect... and I agree, people do appear to be working on hearsay and opinions gleaned from other as opposed to first hand experience.

I tend to shy away from the employment situation, I came here for a job and walked into a second, so I have never had any difficulty personally. I do know a number of qualified Finns who have taken time to find a suitable position, but that is by the by.

Secondly;I am not here on this forum to gain respect,especially from members who are continuously engaged in "Finland Bashing"...I believe in giving frank and true opinions,not just by going with the rest of the pack...If you do not have anything constructive to add here,then just be quiet and stop dismissing what others have to say...Those guys who keep on crooning about life here don't even deserve to live here...How you can find substance in their arguments fails to amaze me...

I'm not sure anyone is looking to gain respect, though some posters have openly admitted seeking fans on this forum. However, any respect posters will have for your opinions will be quickly blown away when you resort foul and abusive language. How would you view my opinions if I wrote that someone else is a behanchod? Not very highly.

Few on here are open Finland bashers, but it is helpful IMHO for someone to provide something about the downside. Finland is viewed by some from abroad as some kind of strange Nordic paradise. It is not, it's a bog standard Nordic country.

Thirdly,I have always defended my stand in a dignified manner until the situation got personal...What you reap is what you sow...Tit for Tat and i find nothing wrong with it .

Nobody is stopping you doing that. Just cut out the abuse, there is no need, so stop trying to justify it.

Group hug.

Lets get on with it eh?

[Hank W.]

Atleast it opens up the eyes of other readers to what actually been going on and may prevent such ugly incidents from happening again if other such idiots also learn to

- use the search
- get their facts straight
- find out the requirements for bureaucracy before they buy their plane ticket
- don't do stupid decisions based on feeling but on fact
- brace themselves for the worse case scenarios

So then we don't need to read of "stupid uvi decisions" or cries for help when people get deported or find their relationships suffering becaus reality bit them and it hurts.

[carlwebb]

Well said, i agree with you 100% on that one.

I am in dire need of some consolation. I have been going out with my girlfriend for near on 4years now. I, in Ireland, she, Helsinki! I am truly and utterly blown away with the difficulty, nay, stubborness to welcome and accomodate foreigners into finnish society within this forum. I am very well eductaed and have worked successfully in my field for years, yet the phrase (usually from the ultra negative and anti-foreign poster HANK) "not without fluent and complete finnish language skills". What is the problem???? It amazes me that hard working people who are going to contribute to Finland are just dismissed and put on a negative road. This forum should actively encourage and develop links instead of driving wedges between "them" and "us". Think the rationale behind this forum is lost if all it does is discourage and generally take the piss out of people who are trying for what ever reason to live in Finland. Surely your sense of power would be best used to help and encourage us. I for one am getting kind of tired of the immature and unhelpful sarcastic comments thrown out. Get your act together guys.....

[carlwebb]

yeah yeah heard it all before blah blah blah, what do you think Finland is ,a third world country or a European one as we are all in Europe remember its no more difficult to live here than anywhere else, dont belive the hype from Hank about how difficult it is or he promises it will be, load of rubbish. Hes right get the facts, when you have them and have done it youll see its not worth getting stressed over, its nothing you cant hanndle just like moving to any other country. Maybe he should get out more

Atleast it opens up the eyes of other readers to what actually been going on and may prevent such ugly incidents from happening again if other such idiots also learn to

- use the search
- get their facts straight
- find out the requirements for bureaucracy before they buy their plane ticket
- don't do stupid decisions based on feeling but on fact
- brace themselves for the worse case scenarios

So then we don't need to read of "stupid uvi decisions" or cries for help when people get deported or find their relationships suffering becaus reality bit them and it hurts.

[Megstertex]

Not to be obtuse, but seriously, I kind of see this forum as a mini microcosm of Finland, but with a higher foreigners ratio. Think of Hank as the Vero/Skatt. Depending on how you view it, Skatt in Swedish is tax or treasure. You may not like it, but in the end, it can potentially be a harsh reality that you would rather be prepared for, unless you like nasty (sometimes nice) surprises at the end of the year. Hank is nowhere near some of the xenophobic "True Finn" types you could meet. He has traveled, lived abroad, and clearly sympathizes with many foreigners. There are uplifting and positive things on the forum, (useful information), but it isn't going to plop into your lap, much like a Finn wouldn't freely offer you information you didn't directly ask for, but that common sense says would be helpful. You have to work for it to make this forum work for you. Just like Finland, just like most obstacles in life.

[Hank W.]

we are all in Europe remember its no more difficult to live here than anywhere else, dont belive the hype from Hank about how difficult it is or he promises it will be, load of rubbish. Hes right get the facts, when you have them and have done it youll see its not worth getting stressed over, its nothing you cant hanndle just like moving to any other country.

You tell that to cybertiger, apparently his getting the EU-resident registration was a walk in the park, eh? Nothing worth getting stressed about? Nothing difficult about it. He just dropped his drawers at the police station and the light shone off his gilt behind. Must've been jailed for the 9 months for indecent exposure probably then, as nothing in Finland is difficult at all.

[Oombongo]

Hank is nowhere near some of the xenophobic "True Finn" types you could meet. He has traveled, lived abroad, and clearly sympathizes with many foreigners. There are uplifting and positive things on the forum, (useful information), but it isn't going to plop into your lap, much like a Finn wouldn't freely offer you information you didn't directly ask for, but that common sense says would be helpful. You have to work for it to make this forum work for you. Just like Finland, just like most obstacles in life.

[debonaire]

It is disgusting and ironic to find out that a forum designed to help immigrants is hell bent on shunning them out of Finland...People sitting in far away places like Australia,who have no practical experience of living in Finland, are warning others of the consequences of living in Finland...

It may be incorrect... and I agree, people do appear to be working on hearsay and opinions gleaned from other as opposed to first hand experience.

I tend to shy away from the employment situation, I came here for a job and walked into a second, so I have never had any difficulty personally. I do know a number of qualified Finns who have taken time to find a suitable position, but that is by the by.

Secondly;I am not here on this forum to gain respect,especially from members who are continuously engaged in "Finland Bashing"...I believe in giving frank and true opinions,not just by going with the rest of the pack...If you do not have anything constructive to add here,then just be quiet and stop dismissing what others have to say...Those guys who keep on crooning about life here don't even deserve to live here...How you can find substance in their arguments fails to amaze me...

I'm not sure anyone is looking to gain respect, though some posters have openly admitted seeking fans on this forum. However, any respect posters will have for your opinions will be quickly blown away when you resort foul and abusive language. How would you view my opinions if I wrote that someone else is a behanchod? Not very highly.

Few on here are open Finland bashers, but it is helpful IMHO for someone to provide something about the downside. Finland is viewed by some from abroad as some kind of strange Nordic paradise. It is not, it's a bog standard Nordic country.

Thirdly,I have always defended my stand in a dignified manner until the situation got personal...What you reap is what you sow...Tit for Tat and i find nothing wrong with it .

Nobody is stopping you doing that. Just cut out the abuse, there is no need, so stop trying to justify it.

Group hug.

Lets get on with it eh?

Absolutely... ..I value your opinions with high regard..I will try my best to prevent such incidents from happening again.

Life anywhere in this world aint perfect...It has its share of ups and downs and one tries to deal with it in the best possible manner instead of abandoning oneself to despair...Whining and bitching about the problems of life never helps the cause....Agree living here sucks at times but one should get his/her acts together and get on with it...

[Ktulu]

Secondly;I am not here on this forum to gain respect

Mission successful...

[StupidHere]

GOD helps, those who help themselves

[Saurian]

I have finally decided to join today, after using all the incredible info on this forum for around 2 years. And looking back now, i guess it actually helped me in a way to prepare myself and my wife to move to Finland with as little stress as possible.

Not all the information was all that good, or even in some cases, true. And I also think that Hank W doesnt deserve all the trashing he(my best guess) gets.

What i am trying to say is that you should use the given information in the best way you can, and dont whine about it not being THE ULTIMATE ANSWER to all your troubles.

Personally I have found a job on my 3rd day coming to finland(without any arrangements prior to my moving here) and started working on the 4th day. But as easy as it sounds, I know that I wouldnt be able to do as little as getting a place to stay for myself without all the help and advices that i ve got.
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and i want to add two more things:

1. If you need help, find it yourself and dont make others break their back for you. There are god knows how many webpages containing information about Finland.
2. If you reply on forums(any forum) just for the sake of starting an argument, better do it in less important thread such as this: "Unofficial kiss my Ugly Butt thread"(there is link if u need it:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... ?p=2579873)

cheers

[COBHC]

GOD helps, those who help themselves

But they've already helped themselves so you're god is a bit late on that one, some supreme being eh? Late again.

[Hank W.]

If God had a name what would it be?
And would you call it to his face?
If you were faced with him
In all his glory
What would you ask if you had just one question?