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Paremedic (Ambulanssi) in Finland...

Post by Munlaw » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:24 pm

How does one become a paramedic in Finland (assuming the person speaks Finnish very well and is legally allowed to work there) ?


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Post by Nallis » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:24 pm

Studies four years in a nursing school (polytechnic).

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Post by Munlaw » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:40 am

Nallis wrote:Studies four years in a nursing school (polytechnic).
Even to work as a paramedic with a city's pelastuslaitos (Fire Service) ?
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Post by mCowboy » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:44 am

Most ambulance services are nowadays private companies who are subcontracted by the city.

Fire dept has some paramedic services, but it's mostly fire fighting. There's professional fire fighters and then there's volunteers, who are semi pros.
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Post by Munlaw » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:16 am

mCowboy wrote:Most ambulance services are nowadays private companies who are subcontracted by the city.

Fire dept has some paramedic services, but it's mostly fire fighting. There's professional fire fighters and then there's volunteers, who are semi pros.
But do you really have to do four years in a nursing school to become a paramedic in Finland ?
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Post by Tiwaz » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:14 am

Munlaw wrote:
mCowboy wrote:Most ambulance services are nowadays private companies who are subcontracted by the city.

Fire dept has some paramedic services, but it's mostly fire fighting. There's professional fire fighters and then there's volunteers, who are semi pros.
But do you really have to do four years in a nursing school to become a paramedic in Finland ?
Most likely yes. You are expected to give more than basic first aid, you are also expected to be able to do some limited diagnostics etc to speed up the process.

And no, having watched House, ER and other hospital series in TV does not give those abilities no matter how gifted you are in medical business. You have to study.

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Post by Karhunkoski » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:44 am

Yes things have changed, the role is now less of a "driver with a bag of bandages" and more "lifesaver". Most lives are saved at the side of the road now, so training is more important, also with the super modern kit they now carry.
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Post by Munlaw » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:32 pm

Tiwaz wrote:And no, having watched House, ER and other hospital series in TV does not give those abilities no matter how gifted you are in medical business. You have to study.
:lol:

Karhunkoski wrote:Yes things have changed, the role is now less of a "driver with a bag of bandages" and more "lifesaver". Most lives are saved at the side of the road now, so training is more important, also with the super modern kit they now carry.
Ya, you have to go to a 2-year Paramedic course at a local college (Polytechincal)to become a Paramedic here in Ontario, but 4 years is a little long !
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Post by Hank W. » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:55 pm

Munlaw wrote: But do you really have to do four years in a nursing school to become a paramedic in Finland ?
Yes, and speak Finnish and Swedish as well.
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Post by EP » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:43 am

When I am having a heart attack or a stroke or in immense pain Finnish probably is the only language I am able to talk or understad at the time.

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Post by Munlaw » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:06 am

Hank W. wrote:
Munlaw wrote: But do you really have to do four years in a nursing school to become a paramedic in Finland ?
Yes, and speak Finnish and Swedish as well.
Is being a paramedic a well-paid occupation in Finland ? Is their pay comparable to that of a Professional Firefighter ?
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Post by mCowboy » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:15 am

Munlaw wrote:
Hank W. wrote:
Munlaw wrote: But do you really have to do four years in a nursing school to become a paramedic in Finland ?
Yes, and speak Finnish and Swedish as well.
Is being a paramedic a well-paid occupation in Finland ? Is their pay comparable to that of a Professional Firefighter ?
They are both underpaid. Read http://www.hs.fi/english
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Post by Tiwaz » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:30 am

Munlaw wrote:
Karhunkoski wrote:Yes things have changed, the role is now less of a "driver with a bag of bandages" and more "lifesaver". Most lives are saved at the side of the road now, so training is more important, also with the super modern kit they now carry.
Ya, you have to go to a 2-year Paramedic course at a local college (Polytechincal)to become a Paramedic here in Ontario, but 4 years is a little long !
Would Ontario take guy who knows absolutely nothing and turn him into paramedic in 2 years or is this course for those with already existing medical background?

In Finland you are pretty much, to my knowledge, trained from point of no knowledge to paramedic.

Or, it could be that local paramedics are expected to perform wider amount of services than in Ontario. I know they were able to do at least rudimentary EKG or whatever that heart thingy is.

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Post by olofsson » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:34 am

Tiwaz wrote:
Or, it could be that local paramedics are expected to perform wider amount of services than in Ontario. I know they were able to do at least rudimentary EKG or whatever that heart thingy is.
Rudimentary EKG interpretation that is, which above a rudimentary level is a task for physicians.

I may be wrong (I sometimes am :wink: ), but I believe paramedics here are by and large equivalents of specialized nurses, if considering training and responsibilities.

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Post by Allard88 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:58 am

You will have to practice this game first: http://www.ambulanssi.nl

No, just kidding. It's a game based on a dutch tv-commercial which was set in Finland:P
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