car dealer warranty

[sbk]

Hello,

I read somewhere that when I buy a second hand car from a dealer, he is bound by regulations to give a minimum warranty? Also, does this hold good even for, say a 1990 make car?

Thanks.

[Hank W.]

Well, yes, but the small print doesn't really cover anything.

[raamv]

REad he sticky in this forum.
yes they generally cover for a short period as a goodwill gesture....for the period of a few months for a car..but then a 1990?
Even a new car has only warranties for 3 years!!

[Tiwaz]

Hello,

I read somewhere that when I buy a second hand car from a dealer, he is bound by regulations to give a minimum warranty? Also, does this hold good even for, say a 1990 make car?

Thanks.

It could be simply that car dealership holds responsibility if you find in your car some kind of defect or similar which you can show existed at the point of sale, you were not informed of and had no way of telling yourself with superficial inspection.

Or that is basically what I was told when I bought my used car.

[donald]

There is no law that requires sellers of anything to give a warranty on the products.

[Hank W.]

It could be simply that car dealership holds responsibility if you find in your car some kind of defect or similar which you can show existed at the point of sale, you were not informed of and had no way of telling yourself with superficial inspection.

The thing is that when a private buys from a business the private people are protected by the consumer protection law. When a private buys from a private or a business from a business it is then under the general statutes of the commerce law and if a case of fraud then criminal law.

[Hank W.]

Even a new car has only warranties for 3 years!!

KIA has 5 yrs and some models 7

After which they are rusted through

[Hank W.]

Since they stopped having the mandatory rustproofing the cars really are the pits. my 1988 Daewoo had two minute holes in the bottom last year, while 10 years newer cars require a few square meters of sheetmetal just to pass the inspection...

[sinikettu]

All Kia cars come with under-seal/rustproffing as standard..
It includes filling the doors and sills with the stuff.

Last Fridays Hesa had a table of new cars registerd in Finland this year.
Kia had jumped from now-where to second behind Volvo. (VW was third).

In a recent magazine survey the Kia had only one negative..to maintain their 5 year warranty all scheduled services have to be done on schedule (+/- 5000Kms) and at a Kia dealers.
In Finland that is Delta.

The latest Kia is made in Europe.
http://www.babez.de/kia/riosilverstreak/newtitel.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6298651.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia

[hychamaz]

any recommendtns for rustproofing?

Rustproofing of a new car is great but I wouldnt reccomend it on a used car. Your old dirt and rust get trapped in and actually promote rust. Clean all of those fall pine needles and leaves out from your drain holes. Also be sure to wax, wax , and wax some more. A heavy coat is the best protection for your paint.
Also, other than the harsh climate here, I wonder why Kia gives a 10 year warranty on their cars in the states?

[DMC]

> Also be sure to wax, wax , and wax some more. A heavy coat is the best protection for your paint.

I doubt that. Wax can make the car look good but I don't think it does much to prevent rust. In my experience cars usually rust from the reverse side. On most cars there is a common rust point - say around the wheel arches - often where moisture gets trapped at the back of the metal. No amount of wax on the painted, visible, surface is going to help when the rust comes through from the other side.

[Hank W.]

[Rustproofing of a new car is great but I wouldnt reccomend it on a used car. Your old dirt and rust get trapped in and actually promote rust.

And what kind of an idiot rustproofs a car over dirt and rust, nevermind who doesn't rustproof the car at all? Well, rich people, they can afford being idiots, but as we're in Finland now so we're talking of "new car" being a 1998

Yeah, the LeMans is in shape but I've got an 1973 VW bus I can teach you how rustproofing is made with the three different types of proofers; what size are you - I'll get you overalls ready when you're under the car for the two weeks removing the old dirt and rust

And you're both right. Wax protects the shiney paint from the outside - however the rust starts from the inside, wheel wells etc. "design features" I think is the word, in other words idiots in engineering. For example the Skoda and a Passat even being done off the same base, the VW rusts easier as the wheel well design, as DMC says, collects the dirt/water into a contour, which the Skoda doesn't have.

Welding a modern rustproofed car is a bitch, especially as the idiots rustproof the outside and forget the inner compartments without drilling holes so the car rusts inside out, so you have both rustproofing and a totally rotten frame...

[No.6]

Hello,

I read somewhere that when I buy a second hand car from a dealer, he is bound by regulations to give a minimum warranty? Also, does this hold good even for, say a 1990 make car?
Thanks.

Getting back to the original question...
If you buy a used car from a dealer then they have responsibility for six months - anything fault in that time will be assumed to have been present at the time of purchase unless they can prove it had developed after purchase, through usual misuse, or through normal use (wear-and-tear).
BUT also price, age and Kms driven are part of the question of whether the fault was expected to be known or to happen after purchase. If you are buying an 18yo car you can expect the basic assumption you can expect there to be new faults occuring all the time

A couple of links in Finnish for you to use as reference:
http://www.kuluttajavirasto.fi/Page/7d6 ... 7b0b5.aspx

http://www.kuluttajavirasto.fi/Page/fe9 ... f7251.aspx

http://www.mainio.net/print.asp?path=1; ... 0094;63727

[sbk]

Hi.

Thanks all for your inputs, very helpful! I am not competent to do any repairs if things go wrong, and I understand getting a mechanic to fix it also expensive. I have decided to buy a new car to reduce the hassles...you know , by new car, I mean a 1998 car, as Hank mentioned

Thanks again.