what is the possibility?

rauginta_kojine · Post by **rauginta_kojine** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:28 pm

Hello there...

My boyfriend has a big problem. Maybe you could suggest something in this case. Actually, we ourselves don't see any prospects, but just wanted to share our situation with you. Actually, it is my boyfriend's situation.

He is 25, He get his Master's Degree in Chemistry, Lithuania.
he is 25 and gets a job in Lithuania. Someone didn't like his face up there and kicked him from there after 3 months.
then he leaves Lithuania for Ireland.
then he tries to find a job there. he shows his Diploma. Irish people doesn't care where the Diploma is made and what is written there because it is not Ireland.
So he can't get a job. He works as a dish washer and kitchen porter for 3 years.
then he is 29 he is back in Lithuania. he meets me and waits till I finnish my studies and we go to Finland (that was his plan for many years).
Now we are in Finland. What is the possibility he will find his dream job with having 3 months of experience and haven't been working in the area for 5 five years after graduation?

Any suggestions?

Everyday he remembers that he will not find any employer who would like to hire him (that means working kitchen or similar kind of jobs for all hs life) and that is very sad for me too.. and I want to help him but don't know what to do. And, unfortunately, we don't have any friends related to chemistry field... (as I heard here networking works very well...)

Regards,

rauginta_kojine

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shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:54 pm

Diploma without relevant experience is just a paper. This will be in any country. To secure his future he should find the job matching to his specialty.

rauginta_kojine · Post by **rauginta_kojine** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:05 pm

shrecher wrote:Diploma without relevant experience is just a paper. This will be in any country. To secure his future he should find the job matching to his specialty.

That's the problem no one wants to hire him for his speciality. So you mean we can be 100% sure that he will not find any job realted to chemistry, right?

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:25 am

a Wholte lot of 22 jobs if he tries ( search work kemiali)
http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Search.do?lang ... resultList

A Whole lot of 18 jobs with the search term chem
http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Search.do?lang ... resultList
There were 2 interesting jobs whose advert was in english,
one for aSummer Trainees, Borealis Polymers Oy, Porvoo
and the other for a Laboratory Technician ( Kemira)
So you can try contacting them to see if they hire english speaking Chemistry graduates..
Thinking what other people ll do is not productive than just trying and trying and trying..
normally, the advice is to seek the job back in the home country..but then try to see if he succeeds since you are already here..

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:27 am

err you can aslo try searching oikotie and monster.fi and use the same search words..
Try to ask him to send his CV to the companies that have English adverts to see if they are hiring..

Salopian · Post by **Salopian** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 am

See here and maybe even here.

Good luck.

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:25 am

rauginta_kojine wrote:
shrecher wrote:Diploma without relevant experience is just a paper. This will be in any country. To secure his future he should find the job matching to his specialty.
That's the problem no one wants to hire him for his speciality. So you mean we can be 100% sure that he will not find any job realted to chemistry, right?

I'm not 100% sure. However, in other areas like IT, local companies are very reluctant to hire fresh grads. Some companies work with HUT directly and they know students directly during they studying. In fact, in Finland it is very expensive and risky to hire people whom they could "say soon good bye" because of lack of qualification. After trial period company can't really fire a mistakenly hired person. I guess the same applies for chemistry.

The easiest way for you, probably, come back to home country and find a job there. In home country, people usually in much better position as job seeker.

Another option to find a practice work via työvoimatiomisto. He should apply there and seek for temporally available work. This is doable, however, not very quick option.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:44 am

So lets say it is not an impossibility... Finns are a bit Irish over "funny foreign papers" as well, but theres a lot less kitchen jobs in Finland (and ain't cooking chemistry anyways)

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:32 am

I don't think it's necessarily all doomed. A story like this isn't so unusual anymore these days I think. You just have to find a way to "sell" this gap: you know, he was trying to "broaden his horizon" and "get some international experience", "perfect his English skills", "develop his personality by some time abroad" or whatever the right slogans are..

Also look for internship positions, to get a foot in the door somewhere.. Or then, I don't know, if he's himself insecure about how much he still "knows", he could try to see if there are some Masters in Chemistry offered at some Finnish university (in English)... Then he had a "fresh" start, but of course that would also mean some more time that's invested, not mentioning the money for maintenance. On the other hand, I think Finnish employers are quite used to the fact that most Finnish students graduate at about 30, so age shouldn't be as much an issue here.

But it shouldn't be impossible. I don't know if I was just an extremely lucky bastard, but I too got my first job in the field of my degree about four years after I graduated (and I also did some completely different and unrelated things in the meantime). So I had virtually no experience and wasn't a fresh graduate either. You just need some luck and a thought through strategy of how you sell yourself and how you "justify" the "gaps" in your CV. But I think it's possible.

Maybe it's a good idea to monitor the university recruiting sites too, there's often PhD's advertised (i.e. a job and another degree while you get paid for it!).. http://www.aarresaari.net has many academic-related job ads, don't know if you're familar with that search engine?

But in general, I think it's important to consider also possibilities that might come up at home in Lithuania, and take into account the possibility of postponing your time in Finland a bit, if that seems to give you more chances (and safe your mental health in the long run). It wouldn't be a defeat, but perhaps it could give you better cards for a Finnish start in a few years time (provided there are some opportunities coming up at home).

Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:44 am

And again, don't just look for job offers and send CV there...

MOL, Monsteri and just about every job offering system has somewhere in their websites part where you can leave your CV. Sometimes some employers even look at them and might call someone they consider possible recruit instead of posting job offer.

Putting in CV for employer browsing can in good situation give you that opportunity, and in worst case costs you some time and effort.

blaugrau · Post by **blaugrau** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:58 am

Another thing, didn't you say in a different thread that both you and your boyfriend are "permanently domiciled" in Finland? Well, if this is the case, both of you would be eligible for Kela-student money (some 200 Euros per month) incl. rent support. That would make the masters option maybe a bit more realistic, if this option is one he would consider. Could you elaborate a bit on your "bureaucratic" situation?

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:32 am

blaugrau wrote:Another thing, didn't you say in a different thread that both you and your boyfriend are "permanently domiciled" in Finland? Well, if this is the case, both of you would be eligible for Kela-student money (some 200 Euros per month) incl. rent support. That would make the masters option maybe a bit more realistic, if this option is one he would consider. Could you elaborate a bit on your "bureaucratic" situation?

Good catch...Its a good possibility to explore..

rauginta_kojine · Post by **rauginta_kojine** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:46 am

blaugrau wrote:Another thing, didn't you say in a different thread that both you and your boyfriend are "permanently domiciled" in Finland? Well, if this is the case, both of you would be eligible for Kela-student money (some 200 Euros per month) incl. rent support. That would make the masters option maybe a bit more realistic, if this option is one he would consider. Could you elaborate a bit on your "bureaucratic" situation?

Yes, we are permanently domiciled. The case is that it is too late now to apply for any master degree, maybe there could be an exception for PhD. i think we are going to Helsinki University this week and talk about all the cases of studying. He doesn't really want to study again (studying , if masters degree, means working in the same time...) after those 6 years in home country university.. you know.

And about returning back to home country - no. just before coming here, we were living in our home country together for a year (actually he was waiting for me to finnish my school stuff and was also learning some finnish basics in the courses). Of course he was looking for a job there. He got a suggestion only the month we had to leave here. And our country is not the place we would like to live - its impossible there. salaries are just too funny. imagine yourself working as a chemist in a laboratory and getting only 200euro a month. our country must be joking, thats why there are loads of people moving out of Lithuania.
And I really doubt that nowadays Lithuania has any contacts with Finland. some years ago there was a concern of Kemira in Lithuania, but now not. There may be some companies that are in touch with Finland but those are not in chemistry field or at least not in his field.

kinda really bad and crappy situation...

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:01 am

rauginta_kojine wrote:salaries are just too funny. imagine yourself working as a chemist in a laboratory and getting only 200euro a month. our country must be joking, thats why there are loads of people moving out of Lithuania.

Sure, but you're working not for €200, but for experience. The experience has much bigger value then a money.
Unfortunately, in Finland you might not find even such "volunteer" type of work to gain the experience.

rauginta_kojine wrote:kinda really bad and crappy situation...

No pretty common situation. The diploma degree is usually not enough to get "full" salary job. I was my self under exactly the same circumstances and worked for a marginal salary at research organization just for a record in CV.

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:24 am

shrecher wrote: Sure, but you're working not for €200, but for experience. The experience has much bigger value then a money.
Unfortunately, in Finland you might not find even such "volunteer" type of work to gain the experience.

Is this the same guy who said that All you need in English and a job ll come and bite in yous a$$!
Yeah right..
Experience ONLY counts when you have been away from your degree for a long time ( LIke in this case).. Otherwise.,.its qualifications first than experience..
a 10-15 year wwaiting job aint gonna give you a job in Chemical engineering when your PHd in that subject is 10-15 years old!!( Actually It would be worse hiring one with an outdated degree than with one with a new one when all comes to equal as the age, etc matter in the payment of salary)..But U re a business minded person..so you would probably know!

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