greek graduate medical student pleads for a job!

[Tiwaz]

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[Tiwaz]

Shortage does not equal taking in people who haven't got even rudimentary ability to communicate with patients.

Don't reflex that much about language. In each case it is very individual, depends on position, colleagues, etc. If person is good the English will be quite enough.

Ah yes. Again your illusion of ability to work in any profession with zero finnish.

REALITY CHECK!

This is FINLAND! No habla local bloody language means no bloody job in anything requiring contact with people who are not your work colleagues.

And guess what, you will have to be in contact with such people, called patients in hospital world in english and "potilas" in local language, all the time.

Only theoretical exception might be guy who spends all his time in hospital basement opening corpses to perform autopsy.

It is not individual. It is rare individual where working in Finland without ability to work without ability to communicate in local language. So please do not raise false hopes or illusions in minds of others that it is somehow "individual" if you need finnish or english fills in.

You are apparently in rare niche position, huge majority of people are NOT. Telling them english is enough is not just bad, it is immoral if they believe you and end up living depressed life on dole money because they are individually dropped most of the time from list of potential employees based on their inability to speak finnish.

[COBHC]

Only theoretical exception might be guy who spends all his time in hospital basement opening corpses to perform autopsy.

And does this same person have to write the autopsy report? in finnish? could the person just write it in russian since that's acceptable to a certain extent.

[Tiwaz]

Only theoretical exception might be guy who spends all his time in hospital basement opening corpses to perform autopsy.

And does this same person have to write the autopsy report? in finnish? could the person just write it in russian since that's acceptable to a certain extent.

I have no idea what they write in those papers, that is why I considered it a theoretical possibility. Perhaps they can get away with lots of latin instead.

Either finnish, swedish or latin. Since first two are shot down I'm putting my faith in giving false hope in form of third. If it's not valid, guess there is no room for linguistically challenged medical people in that field either.

[rinso]

Only theoretical exception might be guy who spends all his time in hospital basement opening corpses to perform autopsy.

Indeed only theoretical.
A pathologist does much more than cutting in dead bodies. He/she has at least read through the medical history reports, talk with family members etc. And guess what? That's written/done in the local language.

[shrecher]

This is FINLAND! No habla local bloody language means no bloody job in anything requiring contact with people who are not your work colleagues.

Do you want to proof me that I don't exits? Or how about hundreds of programmers, QE working at Nokia and other IT companies in Helsinki, Espoo, Vanta without knowing even 10 words Finnish language, like me. Many IT companies have English as official language, they employ a lots of foreigns. Look, even at this site sometimes posted IT job ads where Finnish is not required.

Surely, for a sailer it won't happen, but a researcher or lab engineer it is really works. So, It is very much depends on position, role and individual.

Finland nowadays seriously integrated into EU and many workers come from various countries. Without establishing English as company communication language this won't happen.

You are apparently in rare niche position, huge majority of people are NOT.

I have no ideas what you mean under "niche position", as any position has its niche, but I see quite many foreigns work here, and can't say even kitos. I'If it was possible for me, why it can't be possible for others?

[Tiwaz]

This is FINLAND! No habla local bloody language means no bloody job in anything requiring contact with people who are not your work colleagues.

Do you want to proof me that I don't exits? Or how about hundreds of programmers, QE working at Nokia and other IT companies in Helsinki, Espoo, Vanta without knowing even 10 words Finnish language, like me. Many IT companies have English as official language, they employ a lots of foreigns. Look, even at this site sometimes posted IT job ads where Finnish is not required.

Can you say "niche"? IT is the odd one out there. It is NOT rule but exception.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that IT-business is not representative of whole finnish job market?

Or that few big corporations which use english as official language are not representative of way things work in majorty of companies which are small to mid sized?

Surely, for a sailer it won't happen, but a researcher or lab engineer it is really works. So, It is very much depends on position, role and individual.

Researchers and engineers are plentiful as finnish speaking versions. Getting in there without experience is going to be just about impossible.

Finland nowadays seriously integrated into EU and many workers come from various countries. Without establishing English as company communication language this won't happen.

In short, who gives a f***. Welcome to Finland, you might want english as official language but it still isn't and thus you better start learning the local language.

Companies are highly reluctant in switching language for sake of one or two guys. It takes place only in internationals by and large, and then only because it is necessity to communicate across borders.

And no sane manager hires someone who can't put together single proper sentence in finnish as person who will be in contact with finnish people. It's common sense!

IBM wanted to hire me into Ireland because they need native finnish speakers to act in customer contact with finnish clients! They COULD have run english only system but they realise, even if you do not, that finnish customer wants his/her service in finnish. Or finnish customer takes euros to someone who provides it.

You are apparently in rare niche position, huge majority of people are NOT.

I have no ideas what you mean under "niche position", as any position has its niche, but I see quite many foreigns work here, and can't say even kitos. I'If it was possible for me, why it can't be possible for others?

You are in IT... The odd business. Majority of people here are NOT.
And furthermore, you apparently are not in any position where customer contact is involved.

It is NOT possible for medical student to become high level IT guy so he can avoid language barrier. And in medical business there is no use, like in huge majority of jobs, for person who does not speak finnish/swedish.

Only if there was so bad need for workers, as in construction and IT, and no need for customer contact, as in construction and IT, would language not be necessity.

[shrecher]

Neste Oil also has English as official language in many departments.

[Tiwaz]

Which part of Neste being international and having activity in 10 different countries you do not grasp?

Or that they would still expect people in customer contact to speak language of the customer.

Do you conduct your business in finnish? Of course not, because you have admitted that you can't speak the language. But what do you do if you are in situation where person trying to provide service does not speak english?

Same thing with people who do not speak finnish, except it is far more critical problem since vast majority of clients speak finnish. If they are not given service in native language, they go elsewhere.

Medical personell unable to speak with patients are worthless. Actually worse than worthless, they are potentially dangerous! Not by intent, but due to lack of communication which opens whole area of what are here called "hoitovirhe".

[shrecher]

Very probable, Orion -- Finnish pharmaceutical enterprise also could accept English-only candidates.

[shrecher]

Medical personell unable to speak with patients are worthless.

Not all medical jobs are front-end.

[mCowboy]

Very probable, Orion -- Finnish pharmaceutical enterprise also could accept English-only candidates.

and so could any other Finnish company, it's a whole other story if they will .

[shrecher]

Very probable, Orion -- Finnish pharmaceutical enterprise also could accept English-only candidates.

and so could any other Finnish company, it's a whole other story if they will .

it depends on personality and competitiveness. Just an average guy will go by. Most likely, a fresh grad can't expect a warm wellcom too.

[rinso]

Very probable, Orion -- Finnish pharmaceutical enterprise also could accept English-only candidates.

and so could any other Finnish company, it's a whole other story if they will .

Off course they will when you have a rare and very specialized knowledge.
Oops, op was still a graduate student.

[Tiwaz]

Medical personell unable to speak with patients are worthless.

Not all medical jobs are front-end.

Only most of them. And it should not be surprising that out there will be plenty of finns competing for same positions where our OP would apply. These people would speak excellent english AND finnish.

And many, checked Orion site, also require english AND finnish.