JOB: IT Consultant

vesak · Post by **vesak** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:12 am

Hello Finland Forum,

Our company is providing various IT services to customers in Finland. One of our customers, a large one, is looking for suitable IT consultant to work on their premises in Espoo/Helsinki area.

Consultant would:
- interact with multiple units within clients organization
- analyze concepted services & requirements
- find technical/process boundaries and limitations
- design prototype architecture/service proposals
- write formal technical requirements and other documents

This work would likely take several months, either part-time or full time. There is some possibility of further work to come after this period, but I can not guarantee this yet.

The job would require at least the following competencies:
- lots of independence and self-direction
- excellent analytical skills
- very good technical skills
- good communication skills (both spoken and written)
- good knowledge of Internet technologies & architectures

If possible, we would also like to see at least some of the following competencies:
- former work experience as "technical consultant", "system architect", "technical manager" or similar
- reasonable (base-level or higher) understanding of online business processes
- understanding and experience with "large scale delivery of streamed media content"
- formal IT/mathematical education (bachelor, master, or similar degree)

If you are interested about this position and think you match the above criteria to reasonable degree, please email me with your resume. My email is vesa.kivisto#nepton.fi (replace # with @)

Best Regards,

Vesa Kivistö
Nepton Oy
http://www.nepton.fi (In Finnish, sorry)

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shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:23 am

pay rate?

vesak · Post by **vesak** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:35 am

Hello Schrecher,

Pay rate would largely depend on your current skill levels. If we can find a really good fit to this position, the pay rate would be reflect that fact. If the candidate has less experience and skills, the pay rate would be somewhat less.

Overall, our pay rates are similar (and sometimes better) than you might get in large IT consultancy like Accenture, Logica or Tietoenator.

-Vesa

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:50 am

vesak wrote:Accenture, Logica or Tietoenator.

Well there isn't much margin to be worse

vesak · Post by **vesak** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:09 am

Heh, I know exactly what you mean

Frankly, the rates offered by big consulting houses for gruntwork or semi-experienced positions are often not so great at all. Even if you are experienced, the salary levels usually are not what they should be. On the other hand, I know some (very adaptive) people in these big organizations who have managed to gain reasonable compensation by proving they are worth the cost and can make "things happen".

I hope we can find someone who has the necessary competencies and agrees with us on what "reasonable compensation" means

Cheers,
Vesa

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:14 pm

Darn, that vaatimusmäärittely is just up my alley... Being in one of the unnamed named ones with 10 years under my belt and just survived the YT round though I'm looking for another 10 years of long and narrow bread than a bun with raisins, but I'll nudge and wink to a few people.

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:14 pm

Just as aside note, I wonder what the point to hide rages of rates in Job ad? Why can't be said "salary from 65 to 70 K euro per annum". The ad without competitive salary offer won't attract a person who is not actively looking for a job. Most likely he will simply skip it. Perhaps, the company is willing to pay high, why can't be openly stated? In may of other countries this is normal practice to publish expected salary range, because the salary is main reason why people apply to work in the company.

vesak · Post by **vesak** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:40 pm

>> I wonder what the point to hide rages of rates in Job ad

That is quite interesting & hard question. Here is my reply, based on my personal experience and assumptions:

1) If we are looking for senior people and publish salary figures, we get zillions of "hopefull junior" applicants who have dollars in their eyes and no clue whatsoever. We get less of these this way, but still too much.

2) We want to compensate person based on his skillset, competence level and productivity. This does not always have 100% overlap with his official position or the project she is currently assigned to. Our target is to pay "similarily capable" persons salaries in the close range to each other.

3) If we say that "salary for guru person is X euros per annum" and someone who is only experienced applies and actually gets the job, it might be depressing to hear that "we want to hire you, but as you are not a true guru we will pay you only 70% of X".

-Vesa

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:24 pm

I agree with shrecher. The decision to change jobs is not taken lightly. And I for instance would not enter such a process if I had no clear perspective of what I could earn. And although I can understand your arguments, I think there are other options. Being vague about salary doesn't project a very trustworthy image.

interleukin · Post by **interleukin** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:37 pm

I agree with the OP. If you are at all interested in the job, you send a pm or make a call and informally discuss things. That way the OP can get SOME idea of what you know and give you a salary range that might fit for you. If you do not like that salary range, you don't apply for the job. How hard to get do you people really want to play?!

/interleukin

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:11 pm

This is though one of these "Finnish things" again. Just leafed through monster.fi, you don't see salaries there anywhere. And in http://www.mol.fi hardly ever.
Then again, "everybody knows" what the ballpark salaries are...

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:14 pm

interleukin wrote:I agree with the OP. If you are at all interested in the job, you send a pm or make a call and informally discuss things. That way the OP can get SOME idea of what you know and give you a salary range that might fit for you. If you do not like that salary range, you don't apply for the job. How hard to get do you people really want to play?!

/interleukin

If a person needs a job, surely, he/she will send CV, call, pm to all possible sources. Well, not all people looking for a job actively. Many good programmers have very good job already and they are not going to move unless something special will be offered and it is much better than current position. Here the company should be more active if it needs good people.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:53 pm

Yes, but they're not looking for a programmer. They're looking for someone who can model a process.... like you know, a job application prosess...

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_0_   =>  application  => _0_  
 /\   <=    piss off   <=   /\

If only all roses were so rational

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:13 am

well I recently heard of a Borlands version that makes it rational!!

shrecher · Post by **shrecher** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:54 am

Hank W. wrote:This is though one of these "Finnish things" again. Just leafed through monster.fi, you don't see salaries there anywhere. And in http://www.mol.fi hardly ever.
Then again, "everybody knows" what the ballpark salaries are...

This is very correct and it lets a lots of opportunities for companies to manipulate with salaries.

Usually, I send a resume. If they respond, then I ask for the salary range. If they do not give me the range, then I stop pursuing that particular opportunity.

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