Veikon Kone problems

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by sinikettu » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:47 pm

bill wrote:
sinikettu wrote:
bill wrote:So I bought a TV from Veikon Kone this past Saturday right before closing.

Well I went there on Monday morning right after they opened and asked them to cancel my order because of other things that came up... Guess what ?

If so, this is the last time I am buying something from these guys.

Verkkokauppa or Gigantti are far better choices with much better customer service.
Try the same trick with Verkkokauppa or Gigantti and you will probably get the same response...

Why the Ef should these stores accept a cancelation...because....of other things that came up?

And this a liitle gem of BS..They get the traffic because of their commitment to product satisfaction

To measuure product satifaction one must first use the product.
A neighbor ordered from Verkkokauppa, used the TV and then returned it within 14 days because he did not like the sound of it and got a full refund from verkkokauppa, so get informed before making those assertions
I do not often participate in this sort of battle..
But..
There was big difference between you and your neighbour ..he tried the product and did not like it..
You just...had some reason to cancel an order. A time waster.
I do not need to "get informed" by the way..I think my information on how the live and behave in Finland is adequate.
Both you and your neighbour have one thing in common.
Names and comments in the data bases of these two shops.


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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Goldie » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:00 pm

bill wrote:So I bought a TV from Veikon Kone this past Saturday right before closing. Naturally the TV was not available and after some haggling they admitted that they had another new TV on a box in Lohja so I didnt have to take the floor model.

Well I went there on Monday morning right after they opened and asked them to cancel my order because of other things that came up... Guess what ? They refused to refund my money even though the TV had not even left the warehouse in Lohja.

Instead they offered to give me back 90% of the money as the best deal they could give me. In other words, even if you change your mind a microsecond after the credit card has been swiped, it is too late to do anything or at least that is what I was told.

Is this true ? Can anyone confirm this.

If so, this is the last time I am buying something from these guys.

Verkkokauppa or Gigantti are far better choices with much better customer service.
I have always received a full refund when returning items to Veikon Kone.

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by debonaire » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:16 pm

I think Gigantti has a 30 day return policy incase not being satisfied with the product...ofcorse there has to be a reason for not being satisfied...
Canceling an order is a different thing...But as far as I can remember if you cancel an order before the product has left the warehouse,you are entitled to full refund...I know this because I had asked this question to the salesguy at MustaPörssi before placing an order for TV..

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by bill » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:51 pm

Tiwaz wrote:
bill wrote: Corretions: 1) IKEA is far more successful than ANY Finnish furniture store, 2) In Verkkokauppa you order first and then you pay 3) Verkkokauppa has one of the lowest prices. Try Vertaa.fi and you'll see 4) Elektroni.fi has a store where you try stuff out. If you like it you place the order first and pay upon delivery to the store... there
IKEA sells cheal crap most of the time. It works, but it is not exactly high quality.
I
n Verkkokauppa you can pay in many ways, paying to their account first is actually cheapest as it minimizes their expenses and risk. They also sell cheaper because they do most of business online and only run 2 stores while selling to whole Finland.

And finally, haven't you dumb*** realised that buying online and ordering from store are two different things.

There is by LAW requirement to have 14 day return period for stuff bought online. There is no such requirement in store purchased items. If you make purchase/order in the store it is presumed by defaul that you are happy with product and want it.

Online stores do not make it possible to test item before purchase so they have this mandatory 14 day period.

You are like every other idiot that posts without reading. The Law is 14 days in Finland but it is not so in other countries so they could also not choose to return at all. If you read carefully I argued about online retailing in general.

The same goes for IKEA. They might sell junk, but they sell junk in a good way and in a very customer friendly way...
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Tiwaz » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:48 pm

bill wrote:
Tiwaz wrote:
bill wrote: Corretions: 1) IKEA is far more successful than ANY Finnish furniture store, 2) In Verkkokauppa you order first and then you pay 3) Verkkokauppa has one of the lowest prices. Try Vertaa.fi and you'll see 4) Elektroni.fi has a store where you try stuff out. If you like it you place the order first and pay upon delivery to the store... there
IKEA sells cheal crap most of the time. It works, but it is not exactly high quality.
I
n Verkkokauppa you can pay in many ways, paying to their account first is actually cheapest as it minimizes their expenses and risk. They also sell cheaper because they do most of business online and only run 2 stores while selling to whole Finland.

And finally, haven't you dumb*** realised that buying online and ordering from store are two different things.

There is by LAW requirement to have 14 day return period for stuff bought online. There is no such requirement in store purchased items. If you make purchase/order in the store it is presumed by defaul that you are happy with product and want it.

Online stores do not make it possible to test item before purchase so they have this mandatory 14 day period.

You are like every other idiot that posts without reading. The Law is 14 days in Finland but it is not so in other countries so they could also not choose to return at all. If you read carefully I argued about online retailing in general.

The same goes for IKEA. They might sell junk, but they sell junk in a good way and in a very customer friendly way...
So?

This is not other countries. For all we care they can have infinite return time laws.

And IKEA selling junk in way which you find is good for you, very convenient. Go ahead and shop there.

But don't bitch and moan when you do not get what you are not necessarily by law entitled to. Benefits shops may give you beyond letter of law are fully voluntary.

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by hanj » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:35 pm

something to add.....i was just at verkkokauppa asking about a bracket....there's none in stock in the store, there's no demo unit which i can measure...there's not enough information on whether the thing will fit to my device or not.......i asked...what happen if i order this thing and it doesnt fit?...the answer was, 'You MIGHT be able to refund it.' I guess it is my responsibility to check if this bracket fit my device or not.....i cant say that is good customer service.
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by bill » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:41 pm

I do not often participate in this sort of battle..
But..
There was big difference between you and your neighbour ..he tried the product and did not like it..
You just...had some reason to cancel an order. A time waster.
I do not need to "get informed" by the way..I think my information on how the live and behave in Finland is adequate.
Both you and your neighbour have one thing in common.
Names and comments in the data bases of these two shops.
Well it looks to me that you still have much to learn dear

how do you know that my reason to cancel was that I did not like the product either ? I also wasted far less time because the product had not even left the warehouse yet, and my neighbor had already opened the package and now the item was officially used and they likely had to sell the product at a lower price
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by donald » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:25 am

bill wrote:
I do not often participate in this sort of battle..
But..
There was big difference between you and your neighbour ..he tried the product and did not like it..
You just...had some reason to cancel an order. A time waster.
I do not need to "get informed" by the way..I think my information on how the live and behave in Finland is adequate.
Both you and your neighbour have one thing in common.
Names and comments in the data bases of these two shops.
Well it looks to me that you still have much to learn dear

how do you know that my reason to cancel was that I did not like the product either ? I also wasted far less time because the product had not even left the warehouse yet, and my neighbor had already opened the package and now the item was officially used and they likely had to sell the product at a lower price
Learn and accept this: There is a law in Finland (and even in the whole EU, correct me if I'm wrong) that enables consumers to return goods purchased through an online store or through similar means. The reason why one wants to cancel such a sale is irrelevant to the seller, he HAS to accept the return. Example of this is e.g. Verkkokauppa.

There is NO law in Finland that forces sellers to take back products sold/cancel a sales contract if the item was bought in a "normal" store. Example of this is Veikon Kone. I frankly do not understand what are the difficulties in understanding this, if there are any.

Like it or not, this is the bottom line to where this thread boils down. If you don't like it, go change the law. There is nothing else you can do about it.

If a store has a return-refund policy (example of this is K-citymarket), then they have it out of their own will, not because of a law or any other binding agreement whatsoever. Then again, the consumer should get informed before shopping in those stores, if the consumer wants to buy things before making up his mind.

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Kayser_Soze » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:21 am

Verkkokauppa has two stores I believe which sell stuff normally and then they also sell stuff over the internet which I understand by this thread forces them to take a refund.

So what about Anttila, they have stores but you can also order via NetAnttila. Does that mean that they are forced to take a refund since they are an internet store.

Finally I see that Veikon Kone also sells many of their TV in the internet as they are not all in display at the store, but apparently they do not take a refund.

So I guess it is a crap shoot and one should always ask whether they will take the stuff back or not or is it a matter of whether the item is bought from the internet instead of the store?

If so then the thing to do is to go to the store try the stuff out, play with it then order the same item from the same company via their internet site and presto... you have a guarantee 14 day return policy and the stuff is delivered to your home address.

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Post by Hank W. » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:08 am

Kayser_Soze wrote:or is it a matter of whether the item is bought from the internet instead of the store?
Yes exactly.

What "old folks" like my mom used to ask was if she could buy with "avokauppa" so that she could exchange things(*) (like buying clothes) and they used to mark that on the receipt. These days it depends on the store and item *if* you can exchange it; but the principle is "you buy it - its yours". "Buying mail order" was the original 14 day return policy one, that law also has been there since before after jebus rode the dinosaurs, it covers all kind of "distance sales" except private deals. Don't know what is so complicated in a thing "everybody knows" :twisted:

(*) this means of course if the product has no "fault", then returning is a different thing alltogether if the product is "faulty" and thats covered by the consumer protection laws..
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by donald » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:47 pm

Kayser_Soze wrote: So I guess it is a crap shoot and one should always ask whether they will take the stuff back or not or is it a matter of whether the item is bought from the internet instead of the store?

If so then the thing to do is to go to the store try the stuff out, play with it then order the same item from the same company via their internet site and presto... you have a guarantee 14 day return policy and the stuff is delivered to your home address.

Something is not right
That's the way the law goes, be it right or not. It's foolish to believe that any human law was right.

It's the same issue with going to a specialist store, get professional advice and profound introduction into a new product, then go into a cheap hypermarket and buy the very product from there. It's as right as the scenario you quoted above.

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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Jukka Aho » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:48 am

Kayser_Soze wrote:Verkkokauppa has two stores I believe which sell stuff normally and then they also sell stuff over the internet which I understand by this thread forces them to take a refund.
By law, they’re only forced to do that for the stuff you bought online. However, they are also voluntarily offering the same benefit for the customers who buy from their actual brick-and-mortar stores.
Kayser_Soze wrote:So what about Anttila, they have stores but you can also order via NetAnttila. Does that mean that they are forced to take a refund since they are an internet store.
Nope; only if you buy the product from their Internet store. They could do business the same way as Verkkokauppa, of course – if they wanted to. But if they don’t, that’s in their right. (I’m not aware of what kind of return policy they actually do have for the products bought from their ordinary stores and can’t be bothered to check it out right now. But if they don’t publish any specifics on their company website, or anywhere else, your safest bet is not to make any assumptions.)
Kayser_Soze wrote:Finally I see that Veikon Kone also sells many of their TV in the internet as they are not all in display at the store, but apparently they do not take a refund.
Do they take orders via their website? Or is it just a promotional product catalog? (As far as I can tell, they don’t, and it is, so they’re not a “distance seller”.)
Kayser_Soze wrote:So I guess it is a crap shoot and one should always ask whether they will take the stuff back or not or is it a matter of whether the item is bought from the internet instead of the store?
Both hold true. If you’re buying from an actual store, but unsure about the purchase, you should always ask about the return policy of that particular store in advance, before closing the deal. Or try to make them accept it as an avokauppa, “sale on approval”, as Hank mused – in which case you would probably get some sort of special receipt about it or they would mark it down in their database in some special way, or write an extra note about it for themselves stored somewhere near the cash register – and you would probably also negotiate some time limit after which it will be considered a “done deal” unless you have returned the product to the store. (My own mother does these “sale on approval” deals all the time when buying clothes.)

If, on the other hand, you buy from the Internet, the distance sale laws apply and you get your 14 days automatically.
Kayser_Soze wrote:If so then the thing to do is to go to the store try the stuff out, play with it then order the same item from the same company via their internet site and presto... you have a guarantee 14 day return policy and the stuff is delivered to your home address.

Something is not right
If it’s the same company selling the same stuff both ways, but with different return policies, it’s of course in your right to do it that way, if you insist. You’ll pay some extra for the delivery, though.

(People are known to do shadier things... such as sampling instruments and getting good advice in a local music store, then ordering the actual product from thomann.de or someplace else. Not too nice, but something that cannot really be regulated in any practical way.)
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Hank W. » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:57 am

Jukka Aho wrote:(My own mother does these “sale on approval” deals all the time when buying clothes.)
So why would the store clerks all of a sudden be racist an xenophobe and treat some foreigner different than your mother?
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Re: Veikon Kone problems

Post by Jukka Aho » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:02 am

Hank W. wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:(My own mother does these “sale on approval” deals all the time when buying clothes.)
So why would the store clerks all of a sudden be racist an xenophobe and treat some foreigner different than your mother?
Huh? Did I imply they would? Or are you implying they would? Help me out here. :)
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Post by Hank W. » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:21 am

Well would they or should they? Should they treat "Bill" different or would they treat "Bill" different. Than your mother?
I say they would and should treat your mother and "Bill" exactly the same ???

After which "Bill" would be complaining of receiving equal treatment. And your mother should whack him with the umbrella or atleast *stare* at him.
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