Do stores start to be open on Sundays now?

[Hank W.]

The biggest gift a stupid person can get, is that someone tells him he is an idiot, before he makes himself a bigger ass.

[jamie_designer]

oh, and how is that?

[Hank W.]

You light a man a fire, he will be warm for the night; you light the man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

- ask someone with a canister of petrol does he want a light or alight?

[otyikondo]

"A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others".
- Ayn Rand

I believe Auntie Ayn (the signature speaks volumes) also advocated that reason was the only absolute, so when I, who have drunk at the well of the good lady's The Virtue of Selfishness, am faced with unreason it is in the nature of my rational self-interest to point it out. The beating of others doesn't come into it - frankly, I couldn't care less about others. That's what Ayn taught me.

Otyikondo shrugged, and went back to what he was writing. It has to be achieved by morning, or my client will be motivated by the desire to beat me.

Physically.

And that would never do. Productiveness is all.

[jamie_designer]

"A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others". - Ayn Rand

Okay thats my signature.

(the signature speaks volumes) .

I would love to hear what you think it says, perhaps tomorrow after you have completed your work.

Also advocated that reason was the only absolute, so when I, who have drunk at the well of the good lady's The Virtue of Selfishness, am faced with unreason it is in the nature of my rational self-interest to point it out.

Well her philosophy is great and I am a big fan of the Rand. I will stop my comment there so I don't spoil anything for your profile of me, this should be good.

The beating of others doesn't come into it

Alright well from my perspective, you made some comments which read like slap across the face, to a person whom I felt didn't warrent that kind of treatment, then you insulted me and you continue to try and tear me down with pseudo intellectial quips. You are obviously Intelligent and much more well spoken than I. If you say its not about beating people I don't see why you continue to persist with me.

frankly, I couldn't care less about others. That's what Ayn taught me

Well there is no way for me to say that you didn't start feeling that way about people from reading Ayn Rands works. If thats the case thats really to bad, I have read almost all her complete works and I didn't take that from her writings at all. In fact it only made me care more about people. But I do believe you when you say you couldn't care less about others and I feel very sad for you. But at least your not one of the people on here fooling yourself about how wonderful a human being you are.

I guess I will just end by saying, I don't have a lot more to talk to you about, you admit that you couldn't care less about me, whether I live or die its all the same to you, so I can only conclude you couldn't care less about what I say, think, feel or write. So we can stop wasting peoples time here and go back to talking about the issue at hand.

[Tiwaz]

First, to Kay who apparently was offended that we presume that she wants Finland (and Europe in general) emulate USA...

Did you, or did you not, claim that this law regarding sundays shops closing is archaic law? That, by default, refers that it is outdated, old fashionate and uncool. Unlike this progressive style where sundays are always open, like in... Dunno, USA?

Second, anne here said that sundays are busy days. I recall hearing from radio that sunday sales are not exactly the big thing they are claimed to be. Regardless, even if anne here is correct... Have you thought that sunday openings are big hit because they were timed to periods when there would be more business (summer being seasonally high time along with time before consumerist christmas) instead of finns in general wanting to shop on sundays?

Summer is time when we have our vacations, thus difference between regular weekdays and sundays starts to disappear. And tourists appear.
Christmas is period of buying like there is no tomorrow...

These are not rule of year, but exception. As for someone complaining not being able to shop... Question of arrangements. And besides, if one or two guys out of thousands can't get their head around making schedules that permit them to shop on other days besides sunday... It is so marginal group that catering to it would be pointless.

[kay30]

First, to Kay who apparently was offended that we presume that she wants Finland (and Europe in general) emulate USA...
Did you, or did you not, claim that this law regarding sundays shops closing is archaic law? That, by default, refers that it is outdated, old fashionate and uncool. Unlike this progressive style where sundays are always open, like in... Dunno, USA?

Ooooo, you got me there... Wow. OK... under the power of your brilliant and amazing deductive and reasoning skills I must confess. There is simply no hope of me withstanding your power of reasoning. It's simply breathtaking. I do want Finland to turn into the US. That has been my plan all along. That is why I moved here in the first place. Phew. I am glad I am finally able to admit it out loud. What a relief! Thanks for helping me come to terms with who I am and what I am all about.

PS: If I may be so bold... you are wasting your time on this BB. I think the world could use a few world class detectives like you! Was it not our hero Mr. Bush who said: "Mission Accomplished!" Well done, indeed.

[Tiwaz]

Ooooo, you got me there... Wow. OK... under the power of your brilliant and amazing deductive and reasoning skills I must confess. There is simply no hope of me withstanding your power of reasoning. It's simply breathtaking. I do want Finland to turn into the US. That has been my plan all along. That is why I moved here in the first place. Phew. I am glad I am finally able to admit it out loud. What a relief! Thanks for helping me come to terms with who I am and what I am all about.

PS: If I may be so bold... you are wasting your time on this BB. I think the world could use a few world class detectives like you! Was it not our hero Mr. Bush who said: "Mission Accomplished!" Well done, indeed.

Ah, your powers of sarcasm are improving but you need to work on it.

Alas, it does not help remove truth in my words. Why is law requiring shops to give at least one free day to workers "archaic"?

[annekmc]

OK, I have just caught up with this thread I was too busy out shopping all day yesterday

I know I said back then that I like the fact shops were closed on Sunday (anyone working in a shop has to admit it's nice having the day off)

However I have since realised this was a bit selfish, as many of the people who come in on Sundays have told me it is the only day the whole family can go out together shopping and I have actually noticed that you see families out together more often on Sundays than any other day of the week. I strongly feel they should have the right to do so.

In general I love most things about Finland and always having Sunday off was one of them, but as I realise just how many people and I mean Finnish people, not us foreigners who have come here and expect everything to be the same as back home. If Finns believe they should have the right to shop on Sundays then they should.

If shops were always open on Sundays, then Shops would have to employ more staff instead of stretching the staff they have to cover Sundays, that can't be a bad thing now can it.

[antstar]

And then 24 hr supermarkets is next! i can't wait to go shopping for my fruit in Prisma at 3am

[Tiwaz]

OK, I have just caught up with this thread I was too busy out shopping all day yesterday

I know I said back then that I like the fact shops were closed on Sunday (anyone working in a shop has to admit it's nice having the day off)

However I have since realised this was a bit selfish, as many of the people who come in on Sundays have told me it is the only day the whole family can go out together shopping and I have actually noticed that you see families out together more often on Sundays than any other day of the week. I strongly feel they should have the right to do so.

In general I love most things about Finland and always having Sunday off was one of them, but as I realise just how many people and I mean Finnish people, not us foreigners who have come here and expect everything to be the same as back home. If Finns believe they should have the right to shop on Sundays then they should.

If shops were always open on Sundays, then Shops would have to employ more staff instead of stretching the staff they have to cover Sundays, that can't be a bad thing now can it.

Except they will charge someone for the extra cost, as in this rather sparsely populated country there isn't that much traffic to make up for the cost.

As for families... If I want to spend time with family, I will NOT drag them into grocery store FFS... My preferred method would be dinner at home, talking, enjoying (much what we did last sunday). Not trying to find milk carton with best "use by"-date (that one comes today after work).

[annekmc]

Tiwaz wrote:

Summer is time when we have our vacations, thus difference between regular weekdays and sundays starts to disappear. And tourists appear.

Then why do customers still come streaming into the shops much more on Sunday than any other day, if there is no difference between the days of the week, why would Sunday still prove so popular?

Christmas is period of buying like there is no tomorrow.../

And yet still more so on Sunday than any other day!

These are not rule of year, but exception. As for someone complaining not being able to shop... Question of arrangements. And besides, if one or two guys out of thousands can't get their head around making schedules that permit them to shop on other days besides sunday... It is so marginal group that catering to it would be pointless.

Obviously more than on or two guys out of thousands, if that was the case, then the weakest day would be Sunday, not the strongest

[sammy]

I strongly feel they should have the right to do so (snip snip) If Finns believe they should have the right to shop on Sundays then they should.

Ah, now I see why the slightly divided opinions over this issue do not really meet. It's probably a difference in the way of thinking -either it's me personally or the "Finnishness" in me, I don't know- but to think of Sunday shopping as a right just seems quite alien to me. This is just a guess, so don't butcher me for it, but I'd wager that most Finns would share this opinion. (They can still accept and indeed cherish the possibility of Sunday shopping.)

Another thing altogether is that IMO it's rather sad if shopping is the only occasion that brings the whole family together, but I trust this was not exactly what you meant. Just for the record.

[annekmc]

As for families... If I want to spend time with family, I will NOT drag them into grocery store FFS... My preferred method would be dinner at home, talking, enjoying (much what we did last sunday). Not trying to find milk carton with best "use by"-date (that one comes today after work)

And you have the right to make that choice in the same way that families wishing to shop should be allowed to make the choice. Just because it is your preferref method should not give you the right to enforce it onto everyone else.

[Tiwaz]

Tiwaz wrote:

Summer is time when we have our vacations, thus difference between regular weekdays and sundays starts to disappear. And tourists appear.

Then why do customers still come streaming into the shops much more on Sunday than any other day, if there is no difference between the days of the week, why would Sunday still prove so popular?

Have you thought when shops are generally open on sundays?
Perchance during seasonal peaks?

Christmas is period of buying like there is no tomorrow.../

And yet still more so on Sunday than any other day!

Seasonal peak... Try same on say september and then tell me there is no difference.

These are not rule of year, but exception. As for someone complaining not being able to shop... Question of arrangements. And besides, if one or two guys out of thousands can't get their head around making schedules that permit them to shop on other days besides sunday... It is so marginal group that catering to it would be pointless.

Obviously more than on or two guys out of thousands, if that was the case, then the weakest day would be Sunday, not the strongest

Seasonal peak... Are there people coming to shop on sundays? Yes. When are shops open on sundays? During periods when people are most (not least) likely to shop on sundays. During summer and christmas craze!

It's same as going to nightclub at peak hour, seeing it packed and declaring that if it was open 24 hours it would be packed at every hour. In reality, if nightclub was open 24 hours, most hours it would be very empty.

And you have the right to make that choice in the same way that families wishing to shop should be allowed to make the choice. Just because it is your preferref method should not give you the right to enforce it onto everyone else.

Alas, if(she is not at least currently) my SO were to be shop employee, she would often be away on sundays. Waiting for nonexistinc clients outside peak periods to wander in the way of her store.

I would end up paying more for my shopping (it costs to keep shop open) and lose that precious time we have. (as it is, weekdays tend to leave both of us spent after work so weekends are very valuable time together to us. imagine if she would be working during weekends too! )