Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

[Karhunkoski]

If everybody thought the same way, this world be so boring.

But if you want your own freedom to think in the way you want to, at the same time you have to allow others to have the freedom to think in the way THEY want to. And if this means some Finns will give you less opportunity because you're a shirker in their eyes, who are you to tell them how to think?

If you want the:

it's my life, I will do what I want to do

You have to allow others the same luxury, no?

[koli]

If everybody thought the same way, this world be so boring.

But if you want your own freedom to think in the way you want to, at the same time you have to allow others to have the freedom to think in the way THEY want to. And if this means some Finns will give you less opportunity because you're a shirker in their eyes, who are you to tell them how to think?

If you want the:

it's my life, I will do what I want to do

You have to allow others the same luxury, no?

I am not generalizing anything. As I said, it's just some people who are not tolerant enough. My comment was only towards them. Btw, most of the Finns are one of the best groups of people on this planet! I love living with Finns in this country. No complains so far, maybe because I accept there are few exceptions in every group of people. Finns are no exception.

[onkko]

If everybody thought the same way, this world be so boring.

But if you want your own freedom to think in the way you want to, at the same time you have to allow others to have the freedom to think in the way THEY want to. And if this means some Finns will give you less opportunity because you're a shirker in their eyes, who are you to tell them how to think?

If you want the:

it's my life, I will do what I want to do

You have to allow others the same luxury, no?

I am not generalizing anything. As I said, it's just some people who are not tolerant enough. My comment was only towards them. Btw, most of the Finns are one of the best groups of people on this planet! I love living with Finns in this country. No complains so far, maybe because I accept there are few exceptions in every group of people. Finns are no exception.

Tolerant and tolerant.. im tolerating muslims. jehovas, believers in general. green party, WHO, green peace and others. In some point you cant just tolerate more.
Defence means safety to me, i wont tolerate someone who thinks his shiny ass is too good for defence training. Defence force is there to defend us and every one is has to take a part of it, russia would be delighted if there wasnt one.
To me that someone is not willing to take a part is direct insult. There is freedom to do civil service or serve time in jail and if you really want to do that then do, i have freedom to look you as lesser being. World is full of choises.
If you dont do army it means to me that you dont find finland is worth of protect and thats insult, bad insult.
Youre free to do what you want to do but there are consequenses so act accordingly.
I tolerate but there is no force big enough to force me to tolerate someone who wants destroy society, be it treehugging hippies or whatever i will show my hatred, theyre still free to do what they want to do but so am i free to express how i feel about it.
See freedom to be who you are and freedom to express, you can be whatever you want but remind that society will kick back (and its using steeltip boots).

[antstar]

Defence means safety to me, i wont tolerate someone who thinks his shiny ass is too good for defence training. Defence force is there to defend us and every one is has to take a part of it, russia would be delighted if there wasnt one.

I hardly think the Russians are scared of the kids who have to go to the Army for 6 months! learn to point their weapons in the right direction during the week and then home to mommy for tea and cake during the weekend!

[onkko]

Defence means safety to me, i wont tolerate someone who thinks his shiny ass is too good for defence training. Defence force is there to defend us and every one is has to take a part of it, russia would be delighted if there wasnt one.

I hardly think the Russians are scared of the kids who have to go to the Army for 6 months! learn to point their weapons in the right direction during the week and then home to mommy for tea and cake during the weekend!

Of course they arent but when there is 350000 kids then they will be, pointing weapon is enough to kill and in 6 months you can teach how to shoot to kill and use of other weapons efficiently. Russians know that invading finland would cost much.

[antstar]

Defence means safety to me, i wont tolerate someone who thinks his shiny ass is too good for defence training. Defence force is there to defend us and every one is has to take a part of it, russia would be delighted if there wasnt one.

I hardly think the Russians are scared of the kids who have to go to the Army for 6 months! learn to point their weapons in the right direction during the week and then home to mommy for tea and cake during the weekend!

Of course they arent but when there is 350000 kids then they will be, pointing weapon is enough to kill and in 6 months you can teach how to shoot to kill and use of other weapons efficiently. Russians know that invading finland would cost much.

Of course there's more to it then just pointing and shooting, but someone made a good point about being willing to fit in properly if you want to become a Finnish citizen, this then means "doing your time". Going back to a post about someone getting citizenship because he is marrying a Finn (we know there’s more to it than that) but what happens if this person has already served in his birth country’s forces?

[EP]

what happens if this person has already served in his birth country’s forces?

In that case he doesn´t have to serve in the Finnish one. He has been taught already.

[onkko]

Of course there's more to it then just pointing and shooting, but someone made a good point about being willing to fit in properly if you want to become a Finnish citizen, this then means "doing your time". Going back to a post about someone getting citizenship because he is marrying a Finn (we know there’s more to it than that) but what happens if this person has already served in his birth country’s forces?

His birth country forces arent relevant to me, only thing what matters is finnish force.
I cant care less if he did his time in lesotho or UK, finnish service is what matters, if you want be finnish then do what finnish have to do.
Yes im xenophil racist finn but so are most employers i know and most finnish friends i have, thats how it is. Live whit it.

[antstar]

what happens if this person has already served in his birth country’s forces?

In that case he doesn´t have to serve in the Finnish one. He has been taught already.

Ok i understand that, but don't they learn anything about local strategies or tactics? Although i suppose if it did come down to the defence force being needed they will need to be re-trained to a certain degree. I just saw it more "character building exercise" Of course i only know from what i have been told.

And onkko, i'm more talking about National security once you have served with another country i'm sure it will be difficult to be trusted in state secrets. Ant i couln'dt care less if you a xenophobe racist Finn, you to me are nothing!

[Russian]

Of course they arent but when there is 350000 kids then they will be, pointing weapon is enough to kill and in 6 months you can teach how to shoot to kill and use of other weapons efficiently. Russians know that invading finland would cost much.

And could you please tell me why Russia would want to invade Finland?
For oil, lumber and electicity resources that Finland buys from Russia?
For fertile lands rich in rocks and swamps?

[EP]

His birth country forces arent relevant to me, only thing what matters is finnish force.

I cant care less if he did his time in lesotho or UK, finnish service is what matters, if you want be finnish then do what finnish have to do.

Yes im xenophil racist finn but so are most employers i know and most finnish friends i have, thats how it is. Live whit it.

You are really something, aren´t you?

If the army in Lesotho has already taught him how to behave if somebody attacs, why the hell would he have to do it all over again in Finland. If somebody attacs Finland he would know perfectly well how to shoot (or whatever) with the teaching he got in Lesotho.

[EP]

don't they learn anything about local strategies or tactics?

I have always thought that strategies and tactics are something for officers. The ordinary soldier just does what he is told to do.

And I have noticed that OBEYING is nowadays often the most difficult part for many guys in the army. It is not easy to leave your brain at the porch.

[antstar]

don't they learn anything about local strategies or tactics?

I have always thought that strategies and tactics are something for officers. The ordinary soldier just does what he is told to do.

And I have noticed that OBEYING is nowadays often the most difficult part for many guys in the army. It is not easy to leave your brain at the porch.

Well, still average soldiers still need to learn basics like fire groups and manouvering ect, so you need to understand what the orders mean when they are given. And about the OBEYING thats what comes with the "character building" obey or get kicked

[Hank W.]

And could you please tell me why Russia would want to invade Finland?

"Security of St Petersburg" like the last time.

[debonaire]

Of course they arent but when there is 350000 kids then they will be, pointing weapon is enough to kill and in 6 months you can teach how to shoot to kill and use of other weapons efficiently. Russians know that invading finland would cost much.

And could you please tell me why Russia would want to invade Finland?
For oil, lumber and electicity resources that Finland buys from Russia?
For fertile lands rich in rocks and swamps?

Russia would invade Finland to capture Santa Claus...and Onkko....he would do great with the skinheads over there...maybe create his own army of skinheads over there and then export them to Finland to carry out his evil designs....to weed out the people he can't tolerate...especially muslims and in particular Turks..