Looking for IT work in (or around) Helsinki

Kjarri.Ho · Post by **Kjarri.Ho** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:50 pm

Hi,
I have rougly 5 years experience in the IT field (primarily networking), but I'm open to most work.
Please send IM if you know about anything.

Thanks

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smilesalot · Post by **smilesalot** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:35 pm

It would be better if you posted your, certifications if you have any. can you be more specific networking is a huge topic. Although I know not many employers browse Finland forum, but a few key words may make a diffrence. What kind of language experience do you have. Now you said 5 years networking, is that cumulative, Im sure you have PC skills as well how long and what gender. Have you been to mol.fi?

smilesalot

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Kjarri.Ho · Post by **Kjarri.Ho** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:08 am

smilesalot wrote:It would be better if you posted your, certifications if you have any. can you be more specific networking is a huge topic. Although I know not many employers browse Finland forum, but a few key words may make a diffrence. What kind of language experience do you have. Now you said 5 years networking, is that cumulative, Im sure you have PC skills as well how long and what gender. Have you been to mol.fi?

smilesalot

All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. R W Emerson

Hi, thanks for the reply.
I'm Cisco certified (having CCNA) and currently working on the CCNP, which I'm planning to take by the end of this year or the beginning of the next.
I've been working for Iceland Telecom for the last 5 years, doing both helpdesk and installation, configuration and management/debugging of Cisco routers and switches.
I speak Icelandic and English and I'm starting an evening-course in Finnish on the 8th of September.
I do have good general knowledge of computers and I have a little bit of experience in programming in Visual Basic and PHP. I'm also very interested in server management and I've ran my own little webserver for a few years

I have been to mol.fi daily, but they seem to be looking for programmers more than networking people

smilesalot · Post by **smilesalot** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:02 pm

Excellent, now people know a bit more about your experience, and your knowledge, now no pun intended the networking can begin, if anybody knows of or needs the help they can contact you for more info.
Good luck, Im a hardware tech/ pc junkie for last 20 years, Finland is full of basic techies so its a little tougher here than other countries, but Im a firm believer in networking, perseverance, and good attitude one can start and eventually succeed here in Finland

As for the Finnish language learning, this forums a good place to start, theres some good software out there to help you learn the beginning vocab, pm me if you want more info on the programs.

smilesalot
An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. Poor Richards Almanak

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:41 pm

Kjarri.Ho wrote:I have been to mol.fi daily, but they seem to be looking for programmers more than networking people

correct. The ratio of postions between admin and programmer is 1:10.

Kjarri.Ho wrote:I'm starting an evening-course in Finnish .

No need, English is ok for IT. It is better to learn PHP, C++, .net, java. You may take part of open source projects to earn some exp. Update your CV with all programming skills and jubmit a junior application. Unfortunatelly, entry level jobs are very difficult to find.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:53 pm

finlandforumuser wrote:..No need, English is ok for IT....

Are you stupid or retarted? Do you want he sits home alone or only with other expats and hinder his possibilities with smaller business?
You need finnish in finland.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:05 pm

onkko wrote:
finlandforumuser wrote:..No need, English is ok for IT....
Are you stupid or retarted? Do you want he sits home alone or only with other expats and hinder his possibilities with smaller business?
You need finnish in finland.

work and live here many years, don't speak fin. Many ppl around me the same. English is needed very much.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:13 pm

Yeah if you dont want live in finland but in your bubble and keep your job in that big business.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:20 pm

onkko wrote:Yeah if you dont want live in finland but in your bubble and keep your job in that big business.

?

I am ok here witout local language, all my collegues and frield speak English, this is enough. What is the point to learn the lang?

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:28 pm

finlandforumuser wrote:
onkko wrote:Yeah if you dont want live in finland but in your bubble and keep your job in that big business.
?

I am ok here witout local language, all my collegues and frield speak English, this is enough. What is the point to learn the lang?

For you maybe nothing but do not tell others that they shouldnt learn.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:04 pm

onkko wrote: For you maybe nothing but do not tell others that they shouldnt learn.

Y? The proffesional characteristics here are more needed than local language, at least in IT. To start speaking as pizza-men in Finnish a person spends 4 years and more. This is huge investment of your time. It is better to stay with familly or learn Java, C++ or whatever.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:05 am

if he speaks "comput4r" I'd hired him... sorry, no "BizTalK" in there... (biztalk anyone? )

speaking native depends on the end-looser interface lingua...

sorry onkko, speaking Finnish is the 8th aspect of hiring a geekoid..-. usually you need a filter between "the link betwixt monkey and man" to translate business to system or vice versa.

Kjarri.Ho · Post by **Kjarri.Ho** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:40 pm

finlandforumuser wrote:
Kjarri.Ho wrote:I have been to mol.fi daily, but they seem to be looking for programmers more than networking people
correct. The ratio of postions between admin and programmer is 1:10.

Kjarri.Ho wrote:I'm starting an evening-course in Finnish .
No need, English is ok for IT. It is better to learn PHP, C++, .net, java. You may take part of open source projects to earn some exp. Update your CV with all programming skills and jubmit a junior application. Unfortunatelly, entry level jobs are very difficult to find.

Even if there's no need per-se to learn Finnish, I would like to. I think it would give me an advantage and I think it's important for me to learn the language (not only for work).
I've seen some network administrator and network engineer jobs posted and I've applied for them, and many of them require Finnish skills. Primarily because if the office isn't English-speaking, they would have to change the language of the office to English.
Also, if you are a HR person and you have 2 equal candidates but one speaks the language and the other one doesn't, I reckon you would pick the one that speaks the language

At least that's what happened back home when we had an English speaking person joining our forces.

Thanks for the tips, I'll add them to the CV

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:24 pm

[quote="Kjarri.Ho"]
Even if there's no need per-se to learn Finnish, I would like to. I think it would give me an advantage and I think it's important for me to learn the language (not only for work)./quote]

Good you understood what i ment

and finns english skills are exaggerated.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:34 pm

Kjarri.Ho wrote:Also, if you are a HR person and you have 2 equal candidates but one speaks the language and the other one doesn't, I reckon you would pick the one that speaks the language

Quite unlikely. First of all, you won't learn the language on good enough level to be competitive on this field, most of ppl switch to English even they can speak Finnish if they peer is ok on it. Next, HR ( or actually prospective manager) would select the person with higher skill set than language (meaning IT where I work here over decade). And again, after learing Finnish in 5 years you would very likely decide to travel around world to work in other countries and then you undertand that Finnish lang is spoken only 5.3 M people and it is very narrow. So, for work oppotinities, it is better learn Java and take part in OSS projects, it will take you not a one year. Of course, if it is matter of hobby it could be interesting.

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