So you are not "unfriendly" and cynic, so you probably don't associate with Finns that are? I would say that most Finns I know, are (with friends and people they know (so they know it not going to be turpasauna (and they might still say it even if its going to be))) more likely to be blunt than polite in what they say. I cannot understand how it is rude to say that it is not easy to get job or work without contacts?Oberon wrote:I'm saying you are rude and cynic and you're just moaning how hard is life in Finland and foreigners should see it, so I'm saying that it can be said more polite way, but YOU (raamv) SAY that I am NOT familiar with finnish culture and I should start thinking "Finnish way".
What would be your summary of it please?
(thanks god I know really good Finnish guys and I won't believe that cynicism and unfriendliness is part of the culture)
And to summarize our "discussion", as I said if I would change my mind easily by listening couple of cynics from 5 million people I would die. So go and burst with anger in the nearest pub, cause you are just couple of unfriendly guys who don't quite like foreigners and know Pekka if they need something (again Hitler kaput).
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yes I do, I am a Finn and you are some...Oberon wrote: Ah see genius, you define what is rude??
...gentleman from frisco
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."
Something wicked this way comes."
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Rudeness is already defined by more clever people than you, don't invent a bicycle...Pursuivant wrote:yes I do, I am a Finn and you are some...Oberon wrote: Ah see genius, you define what is rude??
...gentleman from frisco
Do you think that you are somehow higher/better/ than they (other human beings)?
Even if I were from there I would be much more higher in terms humanity/morality than you, no matter of how much more income/education/snow/hot blondes/lakes/ would you have. And being a human is more important (at least for me, a human being).
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... are you a fish?Oberon wrote:don't invent a bicycle...
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."
Something wicked this way comes."
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Very cute. But of no help to the OP in any way. Better to warn the person and still hope the best for them, than to have one more ignorant sucker come here and not get why nobody wants to hire them and why kela does not want to give them money.And being a human is more important (at least for me, a human being).
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No I'm a cowboy from frisco living in the middle of nowhere, milking cows and looking for a HOOOT blondesPursuivant wrote:... are you a fish?Oberon wrote:don't invent a bicycle...
kippis 
Aren't you tired? It becomes annoying really. You don't love me, so I don't neither. (I'm just pointing out that you are rude and that's it. I didn't ask how is life in Fin) Live there and be rude toward the people who accept it, it won't work in my case. I have said earlier my favorite law of life is Newton's third law.
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interleukin wrote:Very cute. But of no help to the OP in any way. Better to warn the person and still hope the best for them, than to have one more ignorant sucker come here and not get why nobody wants to hire them and why kela does not want to give them money.And being a human is more important (at least for me, a human being).
Sorry, didn't get your point. Any problems that I am a human being?
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ok.....so what should I understand from you...
1. that the design theme isn't to desirable and enough for starting a friendly topic with advices and tips;
2. you like bicycle, fish and Hitler
3. and you love talking about rudeness.
let's continue......
1. that the design theme isn't to desirable and enough for starting a friendly topic with advices and tips;
2. you like bicycle, fish and Hitler
3. and you love talking about rudeness.
let's continue......
there's still another game to play, but life is beautiful that way!
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..alot of static on this posting...
Ditch the paper portfolio, have a wicked laptop, have a website, go door to door in a great suit with an un-nervingly positive attitude.
One the best promo's I've seen was for a flooring company that also provided french food. What if you had a basket of Romanian goodies, your name and work on the box - and dropped it into the biggest companies for their 2pm afternoon tea. Nobody throws out food. Your name is the topic of conversation - you'll get first thought if work comes up - and maybe first interview.
Learn Sketch-Up. Our interior design consultants are using it on a blue-chip head office in East Helsinki - it's a v simple 3D program but it's not thick - like autocad and archicad which require you to be a kid-genius if you want to create say a curved fascia panel with a light slit slashed across it.Find out what programs are required in Finland
Ditch the paper portfolio, have a wicked laptop, have a website, go door to door in a great suit with an un-nervingly positive attitude.
One the best promo's I've seen was for a flooring company that also provided french food. What if you had a basket of Romanian goodies, your name and work on the box - and dropped it into the biggest companies for their 2pm afternoon tea. Nobody throws out food. Your name is the topic of conversation - you'll get first thought if work comes up - and maybe first interview.
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Food idea could work... But I dont agree about the paper folio... paper and even hand traced sketches are so much more personal. The indusrty sits at computers all day, taking a break with some nicly planned schemes and drawings (while eating some afternoon tea) gives a direction. Websites can be ignored if the person can't navigate it and they can miss vital info...KISS Keep it simple stupid is always a good choice.cow-heada wrote:..alot of static on this posting...
Learn Sketch-Up. Our interior design consultants are using it on a blue-chip head office in East Helsinki - it's a v simple 3D program but it's not thick - like autocad and archicad which require you to be a kid-genius if you want to create say a curved fascia panel with a light slit slashed across it.Find out what programs are required in Finland
Ditch the paper portfolio, have a wicked laptop, have a website, go door to door in a great suit with an un-nervingly positive attitude.
One the best promo's I've seen was for a flooring company that also provided french food. What if you had a basket of Romanian goodies, your name and work on the box - and dropped it into the biggest companies for their 2pm afternoon tea. Nobody throws out food. Your name is the topic of conversation - you'll get first thought if work comes up - and maybe first interview.
Living one day at a time.
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Learn Sketch-Up. Our interior design consultants are using it on a blue-chip head office in East Helsinki - it's a v simple 3D program but it's not thick - like autocad and archicad which require you to be a kid-genius if you want to create say a curved fascia panel with a light slit slashed across it.cow-heada wrote:..alot of static on this posting...
Find out what programs are required in Finland
are there design offices that are working in this software?! it' seems to me that is too simple!
there's still another game to play, but life is beautiful that way!
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It's not about whether the software is "too easy" or not. It's about learning the process of creating a 3D model. There is sooo much to learn about using a 3D creation software that the best place to start is Google Sketchup. It's is a great free tool for starting to learning about all the ins and outs 3D modeling; the jargon, the various tools that are commonly used and what they do why we use them, modeling techniques, rendering etc etc.
Have a look on youtube there is a stack of videos about sketchup, tutorials, peoples own projects. The results you can get are great!
Once you want to progress on and start getting into much more complicated applications and creating more complicated models, there are programs such as Maya (Used for creating and animating Golum from the Lord of the Rings movies) and 3DS MAX, both from Autodesk.
You can download a free Learning edition of Maya from the Autodesk website. Bare in mind though, the up-to-date full editions of these programs come with price tags of around €1,500-€2,500 each ... so how appealing does the price tag on sketchup look compared to these!
EarIier this year i managed to get my hands on a version of 3DS MAX that is a couple of years old, so i got it much cheaper.
So if you want to buy software would recomend doing that, if its not critical you have the latest software.
Have a look on youtube there is a stack of videos about sketchup, tutorials, peoples own projects. The results you can get are great!
Once you want to progress on and start getting into much more complicated applications and creating more complicated models, there are programs such as Maya (Used for creating and animating Golum from the Lord of the Rings movies) and 3DS MAX, both from Autodesk.
You can download a free Learning edition of Maya from the Autodesk website. Bare in mind though, the up-to-date full editions of these programs come with price tags of around €1,500-€2,500 each ... so how appealing does the price tag on sketchup look compared to these!
EarIier this year i managed to get my hands on a version of 3DS MAX that is a couple of years old, so i got it much cheaper.
So if you want to buy software would recomend doing that, if its not critical you have the latest software.
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hmm adn you wonder why they have soo much regulation regarding housing in Finland...
They dont want another leaning tower of Helsinki or Houses looking Crooked or slanted.. now do they..
or they call them designer talos and put them in the middle of nowhere..
They dont want another leaning tower of Helsinki or Houses looking Crooked or slanted.. now do they..
or they call them designer talos and put them in the middle of nowhere..
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Oberon, I'm Finnish and I definitely think that many people are rude on this forum, many of the regular Finns too (sorry guys, I'm being blunt ). Discussion here sometimes sounds like the comments on Telkku.com...
As for the topic starter, you could consider trying to make a name for yourself in the handicraft circles of Finland. There's not a huge market here, but if you have a distinct product that is not quite like others already awailable, it could happen. Get a stand in Naisten Joulumarkkinat at the Wanha satama in Helsinki (if you're female), make an online store and you could sell your butterflies and hearts while you look for better employment. On your blog I especially liked the fridge magnets (?) shaped like creatures from a garden -- never quite seen identical ones before. I think there is a reasonably large client base in Finland who like the concept of the handmade. Mostly they are women, who perhaps dabble in handicrafts themselves, too.
). Discussion here sometimes sounds like the comments on Telkku.com... As for the topic starter, you could consider trying to make a name for yourself in the handicraft circles of Finland. There's not a huge market here, but if you have a distinct product that is not quite like others already awailable, it could happen. Get a stand in Naisten Joulumarkkinat at the Wanha satama in Helsinki (if you're female), make an online store and you could sell your butterflies and hearts while you look for better employment. On your blog I especially liked the fridge magnets (?) shaped like creatures from a garden -- never quite seen identical ones before. I think there is a reasonably large client base in Finland who like the concept of the handmade. Mostly they are women, who perhaps dabble in handicrafts themselves, too.
Native Finnish female.
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Thanks! I've called a few shops where I can sell my stuff, but unfortunetlly, I didn't received any answer. And I kinda' lost my enthusiasm, because the accessories in Finland, are different of what I've done, and I guess they won't be very liked. But...let's hope that the market in here is large enough!Sulka wrote: As for the topic starter, you could consider trying to make a name for yourself in the handicraft circles of Finland. There's not a huge market here, but if you have a distinct product that is not quite like others already awailable, it could happen. Get a stand in Naisten Joulumarkkinat at the Wanha satama in Helsinki (if you're female), make an online store and you could sell your butterflies and hearts while you look for better employment. On your blog I especially liked the fridge magnets (?) shaped like creatures from a garden -- never quite seen identical ones before. I think there is a reasonably large client base in Finland who like the concept of the handmade. Mostly they are women, who perhaps dabble in handicrafts themselves, too.
And about that "Naisten Joulumarkkinat at the Wanha satama in Helsinki" , can you tell me more?!
p.s. yes, I'm female!
there's still another game to play, but life is beautiful that way!
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"Naisten joulumessut" (women's christmas fair) is an annual happening in december at Wanha Satama in Helsinki, where female handicrafters come to sell their wares. It has a site, but unfortunately only in Finnish:dessi_tm wrote:And about that "Naisten Joulumarkkinat at the Wanha satama in Helsinki" , can you tell me more?!
p.s. yes, I'm female!
http://www.naistenjoulumessut.fi/
But reading their form, it may be your stuff doesn't qualify, as they say it has to be "kotimainen" ("made in the country"). But if you're a permanent resident here, maybe that's okay...
Anyway, a table there costs 220 and you have to pay 70 in advance, and the tables are given out in the order of registration, so it may well be that they're all gone already. But maybe next year
.I go every year and it's a great place to meet the handcrafters personally and buy "unique" things, hand made naturally
. Some sellers havea standeach year, and their "brand" gets more known that way. Like Valpuri silver jewellry for example.There may also be other events like this, you should look into it, could be worth your while if, like I said, you have a good product.
Native Finnish female.