interior and product design

[dessi_tm]

ok....I was thinking if I could find a job, here in Finland, where I don't have to work on the computer?! Of course, a job in artistic field, design.
Because honestly, I'm not a computer lover, eventhough I' worked as a graphic designer.
Is it here any company, that is working only with hand project?

[Pursuivant]

is it here any company, that is working only with hand project?

the Thai massage parlours you mean?

[dessi_tm]

the Thai massage parlours you mean?

I don't know exactly how should I take this message...you like to say funny things even when it's not the case, or you didn't read my whole reply!

I was thinking if I could find a job, here in Finland, where I don't have to work on the computer?! Of course, a job in artistic field, design.

[Tiwaz]

Take it as a hint that these days you do not do design on paper with pencil.

With advancement of design software, there really is no point to do 2 dimensional designs on paper when you can with less effort make 3 dimensional structure which can be twisted and turned as you please on screen.

[dessi_tm]

ok....but where is the art in this case?! Almost anyone can do design on computer software, if you've learned and practiced on it!
My idea is that in our days, the true art is forget... anything is made on computer!
Or maybe I'm old-fashioned.
And other thing, I don't eliminate the design software idea, just I think that in some cases it shouldn't be used. But again, it's only my opinion.

[Tiwaz]

What "art"?
Functionality above artistic issues. And if you cannot be artistic with computer, how can you be artistic with pen? It is not about your tools, but how you use it.

I have seen lots of "artistic" stuff, and I wouldn't touch it with 10 foot pole. Because sacrificing functionality or practicality for art is flat out foolish.

[dessi_tm]

my problem is with people that think that they know interior design [and I can tell for sure, that they are a lot]. And with computer help, they can hide their ignorance. More than 50% of interior design projects are like this :

....in magazines, on internet... and for me, thous spaces are meaningless.

[Tiwaz]

However, is it supposed to be about you, or what client wants?

[raamv]

ok....but where is the art in this case?! Almost anyone can do design on computer software, if you've learned and practiced on it!
My idea is that in our days, the true art is forget... anything is made on computer!
Or maybe I'm old-fashioned.
And other thing, I don't eliminate the design software idea, just I think that in some cases it shouldn't be used. But again, it's only my opinion.

I think that you are living in the ice age...
http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/ ... SAID=52031
http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/ ... =52031#tra

First of all, If you dont like the designs people buy here, how are you planning to capitalize on that let alone get a job?
Secondly, It doesnt matter where the art comes from, if you are averse to computers, then go to a place that hires those kind of people... Instead of asking where they are..cos there are not that many people here that do it the way you describe..
moreover, if you think that you can make a living going to kirpputori's and some vending shops, think again...as A Lot of Finns are here in the first place to compete with on product level and on customer level..
grow up and learn the advances in your trade instead of becoming obsolete..

[Cod]

However, is it supposed to be about you, or what client wants

Bingo.

As much as I may like to 'express myself in my work' - as an architect, unless my name is Zaha Hadid or Herzog and De Meuron - I don't have a show - the client gets what the client wants.

I heartily agree with you about the terrible images (perfect but dead) that come of 3DMax , VRay, Maya etc. We had an Argentinian sketcher in London who could do with black pen (and photoshop!) what Max could never do. But for most of us (ie 99%), computers are the cross we bear.

Nobody in my office in Finland (22 people) sketches by hand or models in cardboard.

BTW Sketch Up is serious presentation software..and is used in earnest by the likes ofhttp://www.studiobergroth.fi/

You don't need to create complex lighting algorithms to get an idea across, so Sketch-Up is fine.

[dessi_tm]

I'm glad that you get my point! my only problem is that now, the computer isn't used as a help, is used as a necesity, and in some cases, It's used so that the designer doesn't have to do anything. HERE IS MY PROBLEM! it's like in the music industry, where are a lots of bands or single artist, that without computer software, are talentless. hope that now you get my point with the computer....and better that become some of those, i better live in the ice age!

[Tiwaz]

I'm glad that you get my point! my only problem is that now, the computer isn't used as a help, is used as a necesity, and in some cases, It's used so that the designer doesn't have to do anything. HERE IS MY PROBLEM! it's like in the music industry, where are a lots of bands or single artist, that without computer software, are talentless. hope that now you get my point with the computer....and better that become some of those, i better live in the ice age!

But if your customer wants something that they can view from screen... Who are you to argue?

I have to admit. I would not want just paper pictures if I were to order something like this. Why? Because you as designer would decide all the angles from which I can see it. I want to be able to twist, view and twirl your design any way I want before I put my money on the table.

[dessi_tm]

But if your customer wants something that they can view from screen... Who are you to argue?

I have to admit. I would not want just paper pictures if I were to order something like this. Why? Because you as designer would decide all the angles from which I can see it. I want to be able to twist, view and twirl your design any way I want before I put my money on the table.

I agree with you! here is the difference! a real designer, know how to make himself understood and knows how to explain. the computer must be used as a way to make things faster not to make things better! but....this is utopian...

[EP]

My sister is a graphic artist. She has to do with computer even pictures for children´s books. And no, she does not like it, she would really prefer to do it "by hand". But she does it because that is the way the customers want it. And it is still her drawing, she makes it, not the computer. She moves the mouse.

[Cod]

I think you need to post some images dessi_tm , of exactly what you mean when you say that hand drawn is preferred over computer rendered. I'm slightly lost where the strength of that particular media is in your opinion