Shops to open every Sunday :-)

[net_bh]

You are still failing to grasp the law in Finland which states that you get 200% salary on sundays.
Every workhour on sunday equals two on any other day. Expenses grow.

How are you going to sort that out? It's not like they have huge excess workforce left with all the YT.

The problem, IMHO, is the special status given to Saturday and Sunday. When a country has 8-10% unemployment, why should someone get payed 200% salary to work on the weekend?

There are enough students and other unemployed people who would gladly do it for a regular salary. And as someone pointed out, there is nothing wrong with paying low wages to people with low skills. If you really want that weekend off, clean up your act and get some real skills. It works in the rest of the world...

[jas_rho]

You are still failing to grasp the law in Finland which states that you get 200% salary on sundays.
Every workhour on sunday equals two on any other day. Expenses grow.

How are you going to sort that out? It's not like they have huge excess workforce left with all the YT.

The problem, IMHO, is the special status given to Saturday and Sunday. When a country has 8-10% unemployment, why should someone get payed 200% salary to work on the weekend?

There are enough students and other unemployed people who would gladly do it for a regular salary. And as someone pointed out, there is nothing wrong with paying low wages to people with low skills. If you really want that weekend off, clean up your act and get some real skills. It works in the rest of the world...

Good point. I was surprised when I came to Finland and found out what people get paid just to work evenings or weekends. I mean it's nice, but you'll find people willing to work for the normal salary as well. Many people say that the reason why they don't let stores stay open on Sundays and require the extra salary for evenings and weekends etc. is so that people don't get bullied into working those times and get compensated for it... what kind of explanation is that? I mean if someone wants to work it then they can, but if they don't then like you said, clean up your act and get some reasl skills. Finland already gives you a free education so there is no excuse for not having one here!

[Rick1]

May I ask why you are in Finland? I see you come from the US and India. Well in those countries a job does certainly not always mean that you have enough food on the table (Guess why Finland is so popular by Indians).

Salaries are not high here in comparison with neighbour countries and jobsecurity as in the USA.

Please let those people earn more for evenings and sundays especially for the extra risk they take in the evenings. If you do not like it, do not shop in the evening or sunday.

[Rabs]

The problem, IMHO, is the special status given to Saturday and Sunday. When a country has 8-10% unemployment, why should someone get payed 200% salary to work on the weekend?

There are enough students and other unemployed people who would gladly do it for a regular salary. And as someone pointed out, there is nothing wrong with paying low wages to people with low skills. If you really want that weekend off, clean up your act and get some real skills. It works in the rest of the world...

that's swell. even i like french style... cutting regular hours to create more jobs ...

[Pursuivant]

there is nothing wrong with paying low wages to people with low skills.

theres a lot of SDP and Vasemistoliitto people just now making a question in parliament over your deportation for causing national unrest or something...

[Millie]

I couldn't imagine shops not being open on Sundays. They don't have to be open 24/7 but it can be handy at times.

[Tiwaz]

Thing is Tiswas, you can't totally blame the demise of smaller shops on the existence of the bigger ones. However you can aportion some of the blame at the door of greedy, mean Finnish consumers who are so tight-fisted that they would drive 50Km to save a cent on their petrol. The small shops went out of business because people didn't use them. When I lived out in the sticks we (us and practically the whole village) made sure we spent at least some money in the local general store, even though prices were higher than in the S Market we had just visited! But we knew that it was good to have a local shop nearby. The little shop is still running, so it proves that small shops can survive if the locals have the right attitude. Sefishness and greed are the real culprits.

Of course you are right.

But would this issue be reduced if there was no competitive edge (open on sundays) for smaller stores or increased?

Would people shop in small stores more or less?

Less is the answer. So it would help kill more small stores. Which leads to reduced competition. Which is bad for all customers, not just those greedy ones.


As for sunday and payment. At least it compensates having to work on sunday. Store workers etc have families too. Weekends are time when families can be together, kids and parents all having free time. What if current legislation was overturned and sunday and saturday were regular workdays? Kids would not have school, but one or both parents might be away.

Yes, parents would have free day some other time, but then kids would be at school.

I work to live, I do not live to work. If my employer wants to drag me away from my family on two days of week when there is high chance for us to have more time together... Employer better pay me more than they usually do.

[jas_rho]

You should take a job then that lets you be home when your kids are. I work the job I do because I know I normally won't need to do any over time work, I never have to work evenings, nights, weekends, and I can come in and go whenever I want as long as the hours are getting put in and I am getting my work done. And that's my own choice. Have I done anything magical to get where I am? No, I went to school and have been a good little worker in my jobs in order to move up along the way. Yes I have worked evenings, and night jobs in the past but that was to help me get through school so I can get to a better place. And its all been my own choice and my own doing. I don't need to government babying me along the way step by step.

Small stores are already more expensive than the larger ones and they are still doing fine. Many people live right next to small stores and still go to the larger ones further away. Does this put them out of business? No, because those smaller stores are there for when we need a liter of milk or some sugar or this and that. Most people don't do their main shopping at those stores. If those stores were gonna die, they'd be dead already. Also, have you not noticed that many of these shops are already open on sundays because they are allowed to due to their size in m2? And don't now try to say that its the reason that they can be open on sundays and big stores cannot that they are able to stay alive now.

Anyway if my employer wanted to drag me away on the days and times that I didn't want to work, then I would find another employer.

[Tiwaz]

You should take a job then that lets you be home when your kids are. I work the job I do because I know I normally won't need to do any over time work, I never have to work evenings, nights, weekends, and I can come in and go whenever I want as long as the hours are getting put in and I am getting my work done. And that's my own choice. Have I done anything magical to get where I am? No, I went to school and have been a good little worker in my jobs in order to move up along the way. Yes I have worked evenings, and night jobs in the past but that was to help me get through school so I can get to a better place. And its all been my own choice and my own doing. I don't need to government babying me along the way step by step.

Small stores are already more expensive than the larger ones and they are still doing fine. Many people live right next to small stores and still go to the larger ones further away. Does this put them out of business? No, because those smaller stores are there for when we need a liter of milk or some sugar or this and that. Most people don't do their main shopping at those stores. If those stores were gonna die, they'd be dead already. Also, have you not noticed that many of these shops are already open on sundays because they are allowed to due to their size in m2? And don't now try to say that its the reason that they can be open on sundays and big stores cannot that they are able to stay alive now.

Anyway if my employer wanted to drag me away on the days and times that I didn't want to work, then I would find another employer.

I do not work in shop. I have education and knowledge to work on whole another level of job. But I do understand and symphatize with store workers. Someone has to do those jobs too. And they do not deserve to be mistreated because they do that job.

As for small stores, yes. They are open on sundays year around. Big stores are not. Big stores want to be open too, so they can grab customers on sundays who would else buy their stuff from small store.
Carton of milk purchases do not keep small stores open. And huge amount of them are already dead.

[Richard]

As for small stores, yes. They are open on sundays year around. Big stores are not. Big stores want to be open too, so they can grab customers on sundays who would else buy their stuff from small store.

What percentage of the earned revenue of these "small stores" is taken by the likes of Alepa and Siwa that are not small stores, but national chains of stores sized to take advantage of the 400m2 rule for extended opening hours?

[Rabs]

small shops being small in size have enormous advantage over big shops as they can operate anywhere whereas big shops cannot due to high fixed costs. so, small shops's focus is on niche market.

[luckykitty]

Well its nice to know you can go to ur local supermarket on sundays now to buy some food
Gives more parttime jobs to students and such too, and other workers probably .

[Tiwaz]

As for small stores, yes. They are open on sundays year around. Big stores are not. Big stores want to be open too, so they can grab customers on sundays who would else buy their stuff from small store.

What percentage of the earned revenue of these "small stores" is taken by the likes of Alepa and Siwa that are not small stores, but national chains of stores sized to take advantage of the 400m2 rule for extended opening hours?

Want to guess why all small stores are actually chain stores?

"Mummun marketti" has died to extinction practically everywhere near urban areas. Non-chain stores might eke out a living somewhere more rural, but most of even those belong to chain or another.
Going solo just is not viable way of doing business.

Either they would not have access to goods produced under some chain (Pirkka K-ryhmä product family as example) or end up paying more than chain members.

[jas_rho]

As for small stores, yes. They are open on sundays year around. Big stores are not. Big stores want to be open too, so they can grab customers on sundays who would else buy their stuff from small store.

What percentage of the earned revenue of these "small stores" is taken by the likes of Alepa and Siwa that are not small stores, but national chains of stores sized to take advantage of the 400m2 rule for extended opening hours?

Want to guess why all small stores are actually chain stores?

"Mummun marketti" has died to extinction practically everywhere near urban areas. Non-chain stores might eke out a living somewhere more rural, but most of even those belong to chain or another.
Going solo just is not viable way of doing business.

Either they would not have access to goods produced under some chain (Pirkka K-ryhmä product family as example) or end up paying more than chain members.

Yeah and that's a bad thing? I think the end consumer should be happy about that because that brings costs down which then means the products are cheaper Kesko stores are still owned and run by entrepreneurs in sort of a franchise sort of way. Many of the small K stores do really well and some struggle, is it because of larger stores? No, its because of bad business decisions from the owners and/or bad service/products. I know of stories where a place was doing really bad, then the owner changed and it turned around and did awesome. I would be interested in running one of those stores, of course I would rather have a larger one

[Tiwaz]

Yeah and that's a bad thing? I think the end consumer should be happy about that because that brings costs down which then means the products are cheaper Kesko stores are still owned and run by entrepreneurs in sort of a franchise sort of way. Many of the small K stores do really well and some struggle, is it because of larger stores? No, its because of bad business decisions from the owners and/or bad service/products. I know of stories where a place was doing really bad, then the owner changed and it turned around and did awesome. I would be interested in running one of those stores, of course I would rather have a larger one

Concept of reduced competition does not come to your mind? And where such thing leads...
While less corrupt as society compared to some others, we still have had gentlemen's agreements between dominating businesses to ensure maximum profit at expense of customer.
I recall Lemminkäinen for one being involved in one. 7 big players in asphalt manufacturing making deals on road pavements. Just what we want to our shopping experience.

Corporation knows best mentality...