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Post by Karhunkoski » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:43 am

dampa wrote: This is is communism, authoritarian probably already becomming totalitarian!
Eh? What on earth are you talking about? :roll:

Under communism we would all be getting together to make the decision about whether to have a "media fee", not having it forced upon us.

Or perhaps you're confusing Communism with Socialism? But under Socialism we would be paying a fee in proportion to our ability to pay, not just a blanket fixed fee for everyone.


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Post by sandundasa » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:10 am

I will definitely pay...

But I have one request...

ADD SOME MORE ENGLISH SERVICES...

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Post by MikeD » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:43 am

Upphew wrote:And if the parliament elects AC's members, who elect board of directors, how is it not government that is deciding how the money is spend?
That's parliament (all elected representatives) as opposed to the Matti Vanhanen's Government.

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Post by Mark I. » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:00 pm

dampa wrote:Mark.I, I can also get...
It's not about you.

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Post by Mark I. » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:04 pm

luomu wrote:
Mark I. wrote:Like a blind furious about a painting.
A blindman who is coerced to buy a painting 175 euros every year to be exact. We may be foreigners, but we would not be exempted to pay that tax, I guess that entitles us to have an opinion about it, no?
By all means, have furious opinions about something you have no idea of.

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Post by EP » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:05 pm

ADD SOME MORE ENGLISH SERVICES...
What kind of services? They have a Swedish-speaking channel, but there are over 200 000 Swedish speakers. Next language group is Russian-speakers (over 40 000), but they don´t have Russian services. Next biggest language I think is Somalian.

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Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:57 pm

EP wrote:They have a Swedish-speaking channel, but there are over 200 000 Swedish speakers. Next language group is Russian-speakers (over 40 000), but they don´t have Russian services. Next biggest language I think is Somalian.
According to Statistics Finland (2008):

Native speakers of official languages:

1. Finnish – 4,844,047 (90.9%)
2. Swedish – 289,951 (5.4%)
3. Sami – 1,778 (0.03%)

Native speakers of other languages:

01. Russian (48,740)
02. Estonian (22,357)
03. English (11,344)
04. Somalian (10,647)
05. Arabian (8,806)

(The following numbers are rough estimates based on this bar graph:)

06. Chinese (~6,000)
07. Kurdish (~6,000)
08. Albanian (~6,000)
09. German (~5,000)
10. Vietnamese (~5,000)
11. Turkish (~5,000)
12. Thai (~4,500)
13. Persian (~4,500)
14. Spanish (~4,000)
15. French (~2,500)
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Post by Bubba Elvis XIV » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:42 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:
03. English (11,344)
04. Somalian (10,647)
05. Arabian (8,806)
That's suprising...
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Post by r32 » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:46 pm

That is why people never discuss so much in Romania about the tv license...it only 12 euros/ year :D
I never watched yle, don't know much about them and to be honest I don't really want to know more.
Probably this media fee would be good in Finland though, maybe after that Finns won't be so terrified when somebody is ringing at the door :lol: and maybe they would actually open the door :lol:

Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Bulgaria,Netherlands have no tv license...so that's nice and normal I would dare to say :D

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Post by raamv » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:22 pm

luomu wrote:It makes no difference to me since I do not have a radio and I don't use YLE's Internet sites. Besides, even if I did go to YLE's website, why should they receive 175€ just for that? I run a website too, well, I'd be curious to know what would make YLE website especially deserving to receive money and not mine.

If I use electricity, I pay for it, if I drink water, if I eat food, same thing, I pay for what I consume. But if I don't use them, I am not going to be charged. YLE doesn't come close to the importance of any of these and yet they want everyone to pay regardless of their usage? It's an ignominy. If they have trouble to make ends meet, well, they adapt, they reduce their spendings, just like everyone else.

All broadcasters? But the money is only for YLE. Again, what makes them so special? If they are such a symbol of Finnish culture, then they should receive public tax money directly from the state's hands, as it is proportional to people's wealth and thus fair. Finland's economic situation is far from being dramatic, the government was still capable to offer tax cuts in spite of the coming crisis, they could very well subsidize YLE if it is so badly needed.
your problem is that you Live in FInland!! So why dont you move out so you dont need to pay the damn fee and pay fo what you want somewhere else!! :twisted:
Just because you eat and dont $!"#¤% dont mean that the drains are not being used...
You live here, you pay TAX and TV License is part of the tax... So you pay!! :twisted:
and in case you dont pay tax...there's always Vero sending you to Jail!!after deducting tax and interest!! and there you dont need to watch TV!! :twisted:
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Post by raamv » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:23 pm

luomu wrote:Over my dead body!

I've just read about this "Media Fee" on HS English website and I'm infuriated. This stupid idea better not be approved by the parliament. There's no way I pay 175€ a year for something I never use. I do not have a TV, I do not watch YLE or any Finnish channel, and I should still pay? Who do they think they are? What do they think they produce, life extension recipes? It's just some stupid TV programs for god's sake, they're not providing anything that people would be absolutely depending on. At the moment I'm struggling to make ends meet, I have to deal with Kela's and that social service's narrow-mindedness, and still those morons think it would be ok that everyone in this country, regardless of their situation, condition, and TV usage, would pay an exorbitant 175€ annual fee for something as trivial as television programs? Definitely the idea of some self-centered executive who thinks everyone owns a car, a house and a goddamn TV.
Yes ...U ll be dead soon!!
and its not €175...Its €225!! :twisted:
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Post by raamv » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:26 pm

luomu wrote:
Mark I. wrote:Like a blind furious about a painting.
A blindman who is coerced to buy a painting 175 euros every year to be exact. We may be foreigners, but we would not be exempted to pay that tax, I guess that entitles us to have an opinion about it, no?
Which part of living in Finland entitles you not to pay TAX!!
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Post by raamv » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:30 pm

None of the people who complains about the TV license as tax complains that the Govt. Subsidizes the Traveling costs for everyone!!
None of them complain that is someone works, then they can automatically deduct taxes upto €500 for work related stuff and more if you have the bills..
So why complain about this ?
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Post by rinso » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:45 pm

r32 wrote: .....,Netherlands have no tv license...so that's nice and normal I would dare to say :D
The tv licence in the Netherlands was incorporated in the tax system 15 - 20 years ago.

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