TV Licenses Replaced With "Media Fee".. Eveybody MUST Pay..

[Rick1]

.....,Netherlands have no tv license...so that's nice and normal I would dare to say

The tv licence in the Netherlands was incorporated in the tax system 15 - 20 years ago.

Probably too difficult to implement in this soo well developed country
No need to get difficult in collecting from everybody etc. No it would be too easy

[micky-in-helsinki]

Very simple- If YLE can't compete just shut down the business.

Very stupid argument from many that close roads and railways. Ofcourse if their are private companies who are allowed to run trains and they are running trains then there is no logic to support VR. If it can compete with them then well and good otherwise just kick its ass out of business.

When there is competetion then you can't select one and support it. I can't understand how some people here are so dumb as not to understand this and suggesting closing the roads and parking places. Ignorants

[Upphew]

When there is competetion then you can't select one and support it. I can't understand how some people here are so dumb as not to understand this and suggesting closing the roads and parking places. Ignorants

Then why there are US (and other nations') troops in Iraq when we have Blackwater (ok, had) and other mercenary groups to keep things in order? And what is the difference between roads and parking places and distribution and creation of information and culture?

[micky-in-helsinki]

And what is the difference between roads and parking places and distribution and creation of information and culture?

You didn't get the point. There are only Government roads and no private roads. So there is no question of prefering one over the other. But in media, there are alternatives, so no need to tax people to support one company.

[Upphew]

You didn't get the point. There are only Government roads and no private roads. So there is no question of prefering one over the other. But in media, there are alternatives, so no need to tax people to support one company.

Wrong. We have over 300 000km of private roads in Finland. http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yksityistie and they get money only for the building or for bigger repair projects.

[micky-in-helsinki]

You are lost man. Your arguments are not logical. Try to understand the meanings of competition.

[Upphew]

You are lost man. Your arguments are not logical. Try to understand the meanings of competition.

Ok. I'll try if you try to understand that competition is not perfect and needs some guidance.

edit. see for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government ... enterprise

[Rick1]

Yep, it does not work in a social country. For example (bad examples), Fortum, Katsastus (now double of the price it was some years ago, some are millionaire now). Services paid earlier by tax money are mostly getting worse or more expensive after so called free market.

[dampa]

Ok. I'll try if you try to understand that competition is not perfect and needs some guidance.

edit. see for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government ... enterprise

Thank you micky-in-helsinki... glad another one's brain is not yet damage with extensive vodka!

YLE = Company and not the same as the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) created by the United States Congress.

If YLE can't compete with MTV3, Nelonen, Urheilukanava, Canal +, Viasat, PlusTV, Liv, Jim and the rest, they better pack up and throw the whole company on huuto.net for bidders who know how to run a company instead of forcing people in Finland to pay

Yep, it does not work in a social country... Services paid earlier by tax money are mostly getting worse or more expensive after so called free market.

Maybe that is why I couldnt get treatment the other day I went to the hospital for joint pains in my fingers and ankles. You want to know what I got from the doctor? A ridiculous: I dont see any reason to take blood samples or scans. You will need to wait and see if it swells up and then contact us again so we can start to do something about it!

When I crossed the street, walk few blocks away from the hospital to a private clinic. I paid more, got my legs & hands scanned, blood samples taken and diagnosed!

Go figure!

[Karhunkoski]

Yep, it does not work in a social country... Services paid earlier by tax money are mostly getting worse or more expensive after so called free market.

Maybe that is why I couldnt get treatment the other day I went to the hospital for joint pains in my fingers and ankles. You want to know what I got from the doctor? A ridiculous: I dont see any reason to take blood samples or scans. You will need to wait and see if it swells up and then contact us again so we can start to do something about it!

When I crossed the street, walk few blocks away from the hospital to a private clinic. I paid more, got my legs & hands scanned, blood samples taken and diagnosed!

Go figure!

What fools we've all been dampa. Reading your personal experience with one doctor has opened our eyes to the poor quality of our health care here in Finland. I haven't certainly "gone figured" and realised that we have it all wrong.

[Rick1]

You are in the wrong country dampa, USA is much better where about halve of the population cannot even aford (private) healthcare. With those ideas from you we get: high taxes and private healthcare.

[Upphew]

Thank you micky-in-helsinki... glad another one's brain is not yet damage with extensive vodka!

YLE = Company and not the same as the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) created by the United States Congress.

If YLE can't compete with MTV3, Nelonen, Urheilukanava, Canal +, Viasat, PlusTV, Liv, Jim and the rest, they better pack up and throw the whole company on huuto.net for bidders who know how to run a company instead of forcing people in Finland to pay

FYI, I don't like YLE and how it is financed and run, but I understand the reason for it's existence.

What is different with YLE and GSE? Both do things that private companies are not willing to do or that government deems to be important. Yle is 99.99% owned by the state.

And therein lies my dislike to yle: they try to compete with other companies with mainstream programming. Even worse: with Hollywood programs, which would, eventually, be shown here. So I would have no problem if YLE had used half of the CBS deal money to buy programs from... anywhere else but Hollywood and saved the other half or produced programs themselves. Same with sports: why show Champions League, when they definitely don't need support and would get tv-deal anyway.

ps. I prefer expensive vodka.

[onkko]

And what is the difference between roads and parking places and distribution and creation of information and culture?

You didn't get the point. There are only Government roads and no private roads. So there is no question of prefering one over the other. But in media, there are alternatives, so no need to tax people to support one company.

I assume you wont use public transportation in helsinki, 50% of expences are paid by city. There is alternatives.

[dampa]

What fools we've all been dampa. Reading your personal experience with one doctor has opened our eyes to the poor quality of our health care here in Finland. I haven't certainly "gone figured" and realised that we have it all wrong.

You didnt understand what I was trying to point out... did ya? And that experience wasn't only with one doctor

You are in the wrong country dampa, USA is much better where about halve of the population cannot even aford (private) healthcare. With those ideas from you we get: high taxes and private healthcare.

And are our taxed not already high enough? You don't have to lecture me about the health system in the US. Every country has got the good and the bad side just like everything in our planet, but to tell me to wait for my problem to get worse before anything could be done is kind of strange. Just because health is state-funded doesnt mean you shouldnt take every case important.

And I am not trying to say Finland is bad because of that. I am trying to point out the alternatives there is to everything.

If I cant get my issues solved with the state fund hospital, I can as well jump into the private one and get myself fixed! Similar can be applied to Yle although health is a different issue because it is life's essential, if I can not get my programs from YLE, I can as well jump to any of the other media providers and throw my money at them.

[onkko]

What fools we've all been dampa. Reading your personal experience with one doctor has opened our eyes to the poor quality of our health care here in Finland. I haven't certainly "gone figured" and realised that we have it all wrong.

You didnt understand what I was trying to point out... did ya? And that experience wasn't only with one doctor

You are in the wrong country dampa, USA is much better where about halve of the population cannot even aford (private) healthcare. With those ideas from you we get: high taxes and private healthcare.

And are our taxed not already high enough? Every country has got the good and the bad side just like everything in our planet, but to tell me to wait for my problem to get worse before anything could be done is kind of strange. Just because health is state-funded doesnt mean you shouldnt take every case important.

And I am not trying to say Finland is bad because of that. I am trying to point out the alternatives there is to everything.

If I cant get my issues solved with the state fund hospital, I can as well jump into the private one and get myself fixed! Similar can be applied to Yle although health is a different issue because it is life's essential, if I can not get my programs from YLE, I can as well jump to any of the other media providers and throw my money at them.

You didnt get point, public healtcare told you to wait and not to use unnecessary tests just because you felt so and saved money, private didnt care about spending. Did those test helped?