TV Licenses Replaced With "Media Fee".. Eveybody MUST Pay..

[dampa]

You didnt get point, public healtcare told you to wait and not to use unnecessary tests just because you felt so and saved money, private didnt care about spending. Did those test helped?

Yes test help and im fine now. I would have waited like I was told and things might have got messy... if you are ready to wait, then there is nothing wrong with public

[Rick1]

In Germany you get (I have heard) for every pain in your finger,hair etc. a medicine (they are the highest users there, farmacy industry is very happy there). That might be a country for you too Dampa. Public is not perfect but that has also got to do with how you organise it and what are your 'customers', here they mainly are drunks especially in the weekend. They make it difficult for the normal people.

[dampa]

They make it difficult for the normal people.

There you go again... First, the US was for me and now Germany, next you will say North Korea... dont you think you are on the comical side of things
This if way too off-topic PLEASE back to the topic: TV LICENSE/MEDIA FEE!!!

[Rick1]

Well YOU went to the doctor...............

[Upphew]

This if way too off-topic PLEASE back to the topic: TV LICENSE/MEDIA FEE!!!

No need to yell. By the way, topic implies that tv licenses will be replaced, but minister Linden said that the work group's proposal is "interesting" but that she cannot comment it yet.

[dampa]

Well YOU went to the doctor...............

Used it as an example so pls enough of the doctor stories. Back to topic, will ya?

This if way too off-topic PLEASE back to the topic: TV LICENSE/MEDIA FEE!!!

No need to yell. By the way, topic implies that tv licenses will be replaced, but minister Linden said that the work group's proposal is "interesting" but that she cannot comment it yet.

Thank you, and glad it is about the TV licenses again. I wasn't trying to yell.

[Rick1]

Well all those workgroups, as if there are not enough people getting paid in that eduskuntatalo between their holidays

[mrjimsfc]

Well all those workgroups, as if there are not enough people getting paid in that eduskuntatalo between their holidays

Change the "p" in "paid" to an l and I think you have your answer.

[micky-in-helsinki]

I assume you wont use public transportation in helsinki, 50% of expences are paid by city. There is alternatives.[/quote]

You are a real fool. Is there some competition between public transportation and cars? You must grow up, understand about business, about competition, about govt sub sidies and many other things. But anyway I can pay taxes to govt to provide you YLE- mentally retarted people are better at home, infront of TV rather than roaming in streets

[onkko]

I assume you wont use public transportation in helsinki, 50% of expences are paid by city. There is alternatives.

You are a real fool. Is there some competition between public transportation and cars? You must grow up, understand about business, about competition, about govt sub sidies and many other things. But anyway I can pay taxes to govt to provide you YLE- mentally retarted people are better at home, infront of TV rather than roaming in streets[/quote]

So its ok to yle die when it cant compete without help but not transportation?

[micky-in-helsinki]

Transportation is supported to provide you with cheaper transportation, to protect environment and so on. Not because it can't compete with rivals.
While YLE is not able to compete. People don't want to watch it so they can't keep their earnings up and can't compete.
Simple?

[dampa]

Here ya go

[Tiwaz]

Transportation is supported to provide you with cheaper transportation, to protect environment and so on. Not because it can't compete with rivals.
While YLE is not able to compete. People don't want to watch it so they can't keep their earnings up and can't compete.
Simple?

Have you seen ADVERTISEMENTS on YLE channels?

Hmm?

No. Those annoying, straight from arse crap things are missing there. Same with idiotic "CALL NOW AND MAYBE WIN 1000EUROS! CALL CALL CALL!"-questionnaires where they practically spell the right answer to you to ensure lots of calls.

Also, YLE provides quality documentaries which would be absent on commercial channels. I have not seen much good nature or historical documentaries on commercial channels. Just that "Latest Reality TV-crap".

Be it supermodel-hunt, Idol-hunt or how Ozzy scratches his arse.

[Desundial]

After all the shouting, probably best to let this one die out but, I just can't help myself. As they're proposing this as a "media fee" and not a "tax" I'm solidly in the "hell no" camp. Shall we look at my own consumption of "media"?

no tv, no radio, No tv's been at least 50% of my lifetime. No radio, because I listen online, through an internet connection which is paid for to the operator who delivers it. YLE has nothing to do with delivering me the internet connection, and nothing whatsover to do with what I access through it.

What do I listen to online?: some music station from venezuela. a station from US. every now and then BBC content.
What do I read online?: a paper from spain, a newsite from USA, random BBC, sometimes helsingin sanomat, sometimes helsinki times. this forum.
What "tv"/movies do I watch?: youtube (and no, not yle). bbc, videos from the paper in spain (mostly cnn feeds).
My other "media" universe? video games, dvds, going out to the movies, real printed papers
NB: Except for BBC (which the fine taxpayers of Britian offer to the world for free) all the sites above are supported by advertising or voluntary subscriptions.

Now, If I'm going to pay 100-200 euros for my "media" I'd damn well prefer to have to pay a subscription to access the above content, than give it to YLE. Why should they bottom feed off the industrious of these other media companies who have made the effort to build interesting websites without fat, annual guarenteed cash (I'll say nothing about bbc, don't know how that's funded). The days of "media" monopoly are simply over. If I selected YLE, I would pay for it. If you want your commercial free viewing, fine, pay for it. But I don't have to subsidize your entertainment, and I don't expect you to subsidize mine. The society arguement is hogwash - if I want to support the "eductation" of the populace, I'd rather the money go to the school system.

[Upphew]

Why should they bottom feed off the industrious of these other media companies who have made the effort to build interesting websites without fat, annual guarenteed cash (I'll say nothing about bbc, don't know how that's funded).

BBC is funded by... tv licence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/