Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

[Pursuivant]

Funny, last time I checked it was the master of the house that made the rules and not some itinerant beggars. The road is free - if you don't like it in this house

so don't come here and talk everyone to live the Finnish way here.

you are welcome to go to the next one.

[dampa]

And this is about: Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

Yes. Just like a any other Finn, unless you are over 30 when you gain citizenship. Read for your self: http://www.mil.fi/perustietoa/julkaisut ... _08_en.pdf

Thank you Upphew, I dont need the information but I just wanted that guys stayed in the the topic

[Tiwaz]

We are on point. If you try to avoid serving in the army, in Finnish culture it is big minus for you when dealing with people.

[Upphew]

We are on point. If you try to avoid serving in the army, in Finnish culture it is big minus for you when dealing with people.

"Sivari on sankari, totaali tosimies." So in certain circles it might be big plus if you haven't served.

[Tiwaz]

We are on point. If you try to avoid serving in the army, in Finnish culture it is big minus for you when dealing with people.

"Sivari on sankari, totaali tosimies." So in certain circles it might be big plus if you haven't served.

Alas, those circles are very small. Somehow the hippie/rastafarian attitude did not catch up all that well in Finland.

I know, I am evil and generalizing. But that is usual opinion in Finland about these circles. And not that badly off either.

[fatherchristmas]

Discriminating against Finns who don't want to serve in the military is a bit primitive. Finland is an EU member country now and the threats it faced from Russia don't really exist anymore. My father in law still says "nothing good comes from the east (a.k.a. Russia)" It's a new day, laws and attitudes should change with the times. Maybe the country should join NATO if it wants to feel more secure. Just saying

[onkko]

Discrimantion against finns who dont want to pay taxes or dont want to pay for food is bit primitive.
And of course russia isnt problem, only threat is of course sweden....

[fatherchristmas]

Discrimantion against finns who dont want to pay taxes or dont want to pay for food is bit primitive.
And of course russia isnt problem, only threat is of course sweden....

You don't make sense.

[Upphew]

Discriminating against Finns who don't want to serve in the military is a bit primitive.

Think army as a Ivy League College. People who have been through it might prefer to hire/vote/whatever fellow alumni.

Finland is an EU member country now and the threats it faced from Russia don't really exist anymore. My father in law still says "nothing good comes from the east (a.k.a. Russia)" It's a new day, laws and attitudes should change with the times. Maybe the country should join NATO if it wants to feel more secure. Just saying

I haven't seen EuroDefenseForces. And I wouldn't like to send Finnish troops to Nato operations. They seem to me sort of attacks rather than defense... defense as in Finnish Defense Forces...

[Tiwaz]

Discriminating against Finns who don't want to serve in the military is a bit primitive.

Refusing to do your part to ensure safety of your nation is extremely primitive.

Finland is an EU member country now and the threats it faced from Russia don't really exist anymore. My father in law still says "nothing good comes from the east (a.k.a. Russia)" It's a new day, laws and attitudes should change with the times.

As we say, Russian is Russian even if you stirfry them. Or something like that.

Current Russian elite has very disturbing opinions and habits. And rebuilding army once it is dismantled takes a long time.

Maybe the country should join NATO if it wants to feel more secure. Just saying

And NATO would serve what purpose?

NATO would make me feel less secure. But then again I am cynical bastard who just does not buy all the crap about "We are right there to help you" from USA for example. I have little doubt that if USA had to weight in one hand abandoning Finland, which has now left tiny "professional army" since we are in NATO, and in another hand nuclear war with Russia... Well, USA would give Finland lots of tea and sympathy. And place to form refugee government.

Stand on your own two feet, trust in no foreign aid.

[onkko]

Discrimantion against finns who dont want to pay taxes or dont want to pay for food is bit primitive.
And of course russia isnt problem, only threat is of course sweden....

You don't make sense.

No you dont make sense, criminals are always discriminated. And of course russia is our biggest threat.

Part of speech of defence minister.

"Yleisesti ottaen Suomi on etuoikeutetussa asemassa sijaitessaan yhdessä maailman turvallisimmista kolkista. Ottaen kuitenkin huomioon maantieteellisen sijaintimme Suomen tämän päivän kolme pääasiallista turvallisuushaastetta ovat Venäjä, Venäjä ja Venäjä. Eikä tämä koske vain Suomea vaan meitä kaikkia."

[Pursuivant]

Stand on your own two feet, trust in no foreign aid.

Ehrensvärd.

[fatherchristmas]

Discriminating against Finns who don't want to serve in the military is a bit primitive.

Refusing to do your part to ensure safety of your nation is extremely primitive.

Finland is an EU member country now and the threats it faced from Russia don't really exist anymore. My father in law still says "nothing good comes from the east (a.k.a. Russia)" It's a new day, laws and attitudes should change with the times.

As we say, Russian is Russian even if you stirfry them. Or something like that.

Current Russian elite has very disturbing opinions and habits. And rebuilding army once it is dismantled takes a long time.

Maybe the country should join NATO if it wants to feel more secure. Just saying

And NATO would serve what purpose?

NATO would make me feel less secure. But then again I am cynical bastard who just does not buy all the crap about "We are right there to help you" from USA for example. I have little doubt that if USA had to weight in one hand abandoning Finland, which has now left tiny "professional army" since we are in NATO, and in another hand nuclear war with Russia... Well, USA would give Finland lots of tea and sympathy. And place to form refugee government.

Stand on your own two feet, trust in no foreign aid.

Some of what you say makes sense but by your own reasoning, the Finnish army serves a cosmetic function and is pretty useless anyway since Finland, like most of it's neighbors, has no defense against a nuclear attack by Russia. I think the "idea" of an army makes Finns feel brave, manly and consequently safer. Kind of like car seats for kids (http://is.gd/Sfc).

[onkko]

Nuclear attack... Like they dare to do that against western country. If they do nuclear attack then there is world war going on already.
Did they nuke Georgia?

[fatherchristmas]

Nuclear attack... Like they dare to do that against western country. If they do nuclear attack then there is world war going on already.
Did they nuke Georgia?

They didn't have to nuke Georgia. The Russians simply rolled in with a few tanks after they were attacked and the country was occupied. Georgia was staged to make McCain look like a strongman during the elections but that's a different story. It's interesting that you bring up Georgia. Their active military is larger than Finland's and their military spending is about the same.

My point is that joining the army or doing the much longer civil service should be valued equally. Finland is not at war and probably won't be so all the primitive macho homophobic strongman talk is for nothing.