Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by Desundial » Wed May 06, 2009 7:45 pm

AlexTroublemaker wrote:
Actually, as I understand it (could be wrong...has happened before...once), you MUST pay tax in the USA no matter what (unless of course, like you said, your income is below some ridiculously small threshold), for the rest of your life even IF you renounce your citizenship. Like, there is NO WAY (barring above) to legally get out of paying US taxes on ANY income you earn EVER, no matter where you've earned it, be that Miami or Mars.
Well, as others have said if you qualify* you can claim the 86,000 USD exemption for the income made in Finland, and if you renounce your citizenship, it's 10 years afterwards. It may have been different before, but that's what the 2007 and 2008 instructions say. I noticed because I thought it was so ridiculous. :)

I should have contributed this before: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/int ... index.html The irs's lovely portal for all things related to international / overseas filers.

And, for the humour here is the comparison of the package for overseas filers which the IRS sent me (er, since I was totally exempt from taxes there last year, and it's all online anyway...what a waste in postage....) versus the package Vero sent me - instruction booklets and forms. But note! This US fatty doesn't include all the instructions for all the included forms...you have to go online to read them. OK, the fat bundle does include 20 extra pages just for overseas filers....but...come on - I fill out the forms by pdf anyway!
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*qualification - Finland is your bona fide residence and only legal tax home, or you've been outside of U.S. for a certain number of continuous days, save around 15 days for holiday visits.



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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by Kupcake » Wed May 06, 2009 11:11 pm

One of the American families i know used a Pricewaterhouse Coopers accountant - he couldn't work it out and they had to get an international accountant. I'd tell you who it was but i'm not in contact with them anymore.

I think it's pretty complicated, especially if you travel back and forth from Finland to America on business and I still reckon you should get yourself an international accountant in the States to help you out.
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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by raamv » Wed May 06, 2009 11:55 pm

I ve filed taxes in the US ( as a an alien as well as a "resident" for more than 10 years ) and in Finland for more than 5 years..
and AldenG is pretty much useless crap in telling you things that he doesnt know about.. He thinks that he knows but is fulla crap!!
I suggest what Kupcake does!! If you want the benefit of many years of your accounting not being "audited" by the IRS or VERO!!
and I DID read and UNDERSTAND almost ALL of the tax publications that I had till after 2 years after I moved to Finland.
Since I no longer "reside" in the US;I dont need to file but I also informed the IRS about this with a "no problem" reply.
If I was stupid as AldenG, I would have given you more advice than him but then its better for you and your employer to hire an accountant to do that work..
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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by AldenG » Thu May 07, 2009 2:47 am

TheMarinator wrote:Does anyone know any tax accountants/advisors in Finland who understand both Finnish and USA tax laws? An example, if I earn money from investments in the USA is it better to file a tax return in the USA and pay the taxes there, or is better to declare the income in Finland and pay the taxes here?
Only now do I notice what everyone seems to be overlooking. Are you even a U.S. citizen? Your flags look to me like Australia (or NZ?) and Austria.

If you're a non-US resident, non-US citizen, that changes things quite a bit. Your US income should normally have taxes withheld in excess of your probable liability before you ever receive the income. (I believe -- I haven't been in that situation myself, but as a US business owner, I would be required to perform such withholding on virtually any type of significant personal income you received through my business.) That is the only income of yours that would be taxable in the US, of course. Filing in the US would probably get some part of those taxes refunded. All you need for that, as a non-US resident and non-US citizen is a garden-variety US tax preparer, though it's always good to have a CPA.

I called up a CPA friend here in my city (in the US) who works for one of the Big 4 US accounting firms to get an idea of the billing rates for their specialists in cross-national taxation. She doesn't know those people personally but she guessed you'd be looking at $300-500 / hour, IF they have people with expertise in Finnish personal taxation at all. (And you sure don't want to be paying them to learn...) Of course it's generally corporations and very wealthy people who are using these services. If your situation is more complicated than you've told us and/or a lot of money is involved, it could be worth it. Otherwise talk to a Certified Public Accountant in the US who does personal taxes and get a little advice. Talk to someone in Finland who understands Finnish taxation. You might have to convey a couple of rounds of back-and-forth between them. But considering the rarity and price of someone who understands both systems, I still doubt you have such a complex, high-dollar situation that you need to be paying thousands.

There are some 2000-3000 Americans in Finland now, probably close to 1,000 households. A significant proportion, possibly a majority, must have bank and brokerage accounts in the US. Many will also have houses they are renting out. I assume that virtually all of them manage to get their taxes filed. I know I did, quite possibly while raamv was still in diapers.

I'm not saying you shouldn't talk to an expert. In fact, I was pretty clear in earlier posts that you SHOULD talk to an expert on both sides of the Atlantic. But unless you run into a dead end, I doubt your situation needs the kind of high-priced corporate accountant that would have all the knowledge in a single person. And if it does, the lesser experts will inform you of their inability to handle your situation.

I have no idea what raamv specifically thinks is wrong in this and my other suggestions and observations. He's welcome to spell it out, but he was kinda vague about that, wasn't he? Maybe he can even point you to an accountant who IS specialized in US/Finnish personal tax returns at a price far below what I'm hearing. And that would be excellent. Highly constructive. In that case, go for it. Otherwise maybe he needs to settle back with a warm, relaxing cup of STFU. Between raamv and Penelope, my money would be on Penelope as the person more likely to give you sound, specific advice and to tell you when she just doesn't know and can't find out.

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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by Pursuivant » Thu May 07, 2009 8:48 am

What comes to taxes - the little bundles of joy landed the past few weeks. Now people don't forget to deduct your travel expenses. Even if its per cheapest public its a few hundred on top say for the YTV area ticket, and theres no need to return the actual sheet as thats the one thing these days you can do online. You need your bank numbers to positively ID yourself, but the tax office website is for once clear to navigate. Local tickets I'm afraid usually stay just below the threshold.
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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by Rosamunda » Thu May 07, 2009 9:00 am

AldenG wrote:
Only now do I notice what everyone seems to be overlooking. Are you even a U.S. citizen? Your flags look to me like Australia (or NZ?) and Austria.

If you're a non-US resident, non-US citizen, that changes things quite a bit. Your US income should normally have taxes withheld in excess of your probable liability before you ever receive the income. (I believe -- I haven't been in that situation myself, but as a US business owner, I would be required to perform such withholding on virtually any type of significant personal income you received through my business.) That is the only income of yours that would be taxable in the US, of course. Filing in the US would probably get some part of those taxes refunded. All you need for that, as a non-US resident and non-US citizen is a garden-variety US tax preparer, though it's always good to have a CPA.
Latvian apparently. Which doesn't change much this end since TOTAL income needs to be declared in Finland (eg: also any income from Latvia). But presumably it makes things easier in the USA.

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Re: Any Finland-USA tax advisors in Helsinki?

Post by Pursuivant » Thu May 07, 2009 9:05 am

rob34 wrote: The whole purpose of the reporting is NOT to tax but to avoid laundering.
And mind you people, the EU is very keen on this money laundering bit and of course Finland gets all the rules straight away - so like you need to show your ID putting cashmoney into your own account these days (not just for withdrawals). And the bell-ring thresholds are pretty low.
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