TV Licenses Replaced With "Media Fee".. Eveybody MUST Pay..

[raamv]

YLE tries to provide education, support, quality and opportunities. It's an effort that's worth supporting, even if it means that some people have to pay more than they want to get out of it. I feel for people who will really economically struggle with the fee, but I have little sympathy for those who feel the idea of a public service like YLE is useless. I wouldn't want to live in your kind of world .

very nicely summarized.
Its really moot point to complain that "I don't have TV; I don't watch it, I don't use the services..." YLE's services are As essential to FINLAND as the roads, public transportation, Health care etc...
Coming to Finland as a resident and complaining about the rules and regulations here is not helping anyone...Until Foreigners become a majority, its really moot point ( and that Foreigners being a majority is really a pipe dream) .
I guess that Maistraatti should start charging all the fees for foreigners who register.. ( Or even the Poliisi...So If someone refuses, they get the boot or pay the fees... Does anyone complain about the various registration fees ?)
I do sympathize for students..but then there are always ways to work that out!

[onkko]

YLE tries to provide education, support, quality and opportunities. It's an effort that's worth supporting, even if it means that some people have to pay more than they want to get out of it. I feel for people who will really economically struggle with the fee, but I have little sympathy for those who feel the idea of a public service like YLE is useless. I wouldn't want to live in your kind of world .

very nicely summarized.
Its really moot point to complain that "I don't have TV; I don't watch it, I don't use the services..." YLE's services are As essential to FINLAND as the roads, public transportation, Health care etc...
Coming to Finland as a resident and complaining about the rules and regulations here is not helping anyone...Until Foreigners become a majority, its really moot point ( and that Foreigners being a majority is really a pipe dream) .
I guess that Maistraatti should start charging all the fees for foreigners who register.. ( Or even the Poliisi...So If someone refuses, they get the boot or pay the fees... Does anyone complain about the various registration fees ?)
I do sympathize for students..but then there are always ways to work that out!

Yep, like program http://areena-beta.yle.fi/video/103196 i cant think that commercial tv would have interest or will to do something like that. Offtopic but sami sounds like mix of russia, sweden and finnish

[dampa]

Katselukortti is the only fair option to go...

So in that scenario, how many viewing cards do you get per a single household / media fee? Many – especially families with children – have several TV sets/digiboxes and at least one PVR, sometimes also USB stick or PCI card receivers for the PCs, and would like to keep using them as they currently do: freely and without restrictions.

How many internet line do you have into your apartment if you have more than one computer? How many landlines if you have more than one phone in the house?? How many kortti do you have if you subscribe to Canal +, PlusTV or Viasat? There is a jakelu system for the katselukortti so no problems with that.

If they (YLE) want to be fair, they would know and have a way to solve any problem their customers might face regarding viewing their broadcast where ever they are. I know of someone who got one of Viasat or Canal cards all the way to the US just because they wanted to keep viewing it and it was delivered.

Imagine YLE is now showing Robin Hood on YLE 2.
Robin Hood
Sunnuntai 10.05.2009 klo 19:55-20:40 (45min)
So that is promoting Finnish culture?? When has Robin Hood started to belong to Finnish culture and not some entertainment???

Point still remains, charging people for service or product not consumed is pointless and shouldnt be happening in the 21st century. We are all much more wiser than that

[Upphew]

...So that is promoting Finnish culture?? When has Robin Hood started to belong to Finnish culture and not some entertainment???

I think that is _the_ point of many people complaining about yle now..they shouldn't compete with commercial channels with programs that are shown anyways.

[Jukka Aho]

Katselukortti is the only fair option to go...

So in that scenario, how many viewing cards do you get per a single household / media fee? Many – especially families with children – have several TV sets/digiboxes and at least one PVR, sometimes also USB stick or PCI card receivers for the PCs, and would like to keep using them as they currently do: freely and without restrictions.

How many internet line do you have into your apartment if you have more than one computer? How many landlines if you have more than one phone in the house?? How many kortti do you have if you subscribe to Canal +, PlusTV or Viasat? There is a jakelu system for the katselukortti so no problems with that.

An Internet connection can be shared legally and with a multitude of cheap devices. Chances are the device that terminates the Internet connection at your end may already have multiple ports where to connect different devices, so you don’t even have to buy any additional equipment. Or it may feature a built-in wireless bridge.

Landlines are dying out since everyone wants their personal mobile phone these days.

I don’t subscribe to pay channels. The card-sharing devices are flaky and I doubt they will work with the HD channels any longer, now that the Finnish cable operators require “Cable Ready” certified receivers and pairing the card to the box/tv for viewing them. Using card-sharing systems is legally in the gray area, anyway, unlike sharing your Internet connection with the other computers in the house.

I don’t see what Internet, landlines, or expensive card-sharing equipment has to do with that locking the YLE channels behind viewing cards would be a technical nightmare and severely restrict the ways the “normal” television channels can be watched as compared to the current situation. Not to mention it would of course go completely against the very idea of “public service”. (That seems to be what you would like, isn’t it – dismantling the public service system altogether̀? – but it’s certainly not what I want.)

Imagine YLE is now showing Robin Hood on YLE 2.
Robin Hood
Sunnuntai 10.05.2009 klo 19:55-20:40 (45min)
So that is promoting Finnish culture?? :shock: :roll: When has Robin Hood started to belong to Finnish culture and not some entertainment???

I already criticized them in this thread for buying rights to the HBO catalog and airing shows which the ad-sponsored channels have already been showing and which has been commercial successes. Their view on this is they need to lure people on their channels by also offering the same type of programming as the ad-sponsored channels, but I don’t agree with this viewpoint, or at least the methodology which they’re now following with the HBO deal. Then again, entertainment is part of culture, too, and showing/supporting entertainment/fiction produced in Finland, or buying niche entertainment/fiction shows from countries which ad-sponsored channels don’t bother covering at all – with the main emphasis on Europe, I guess – might be in order, in a broaden-your-horizons kind of way. Especially so with shows aimed at children and adolescent audience.

[raamv]

Yep, like program http://areena-beta.yle.fi/video/103196 i cant think that commercial tv would have interest or will to do something like that. Offtopic but sami sounds like mix of russia, sweden and finnish

Somehow, After watching
poinzi and
[url)http://www.tuttiritari.fi/]tuttiritari[/url]
Its worth for everyone living in Finland to pay the media fee!!

[onkko]

Yep, like program http://areena-beta.yle.fi/video/103196 i cant think that commercial tv would have interest or will to do something like that. Offtopic but sami sounds like mix of russia, sweden and finnish

Somehow, After watching
poinzi and
[url)http://www.tuttiritari.fi/]tuttiritari[/url]
Its worth for everyone living in Finland to pay the media fee!!

Well teletubbies is quite popular and seems that childs like it, im ready to shoot myself after 1,12min tho I cant tell how "good" or "bad" those programs are, i should travel to my sisters place and watch how children react about those.

[raamv]

Well teletubbies is quite popular and seems that childs like it, im ready to shoot myself after 1,12min tho I cant tell how "good" or "bad" those programs are, i should travel to my sisters place and watch how children react about those.

Kids Love em..
Priests ( At least some) think that one of them is gay!!
and Adults cant figure them out..
So all in all a Good challenge..

[dampa]

Jukka your post is interesting but the idea is that phone companies, ISPs are not forcing their customers to use the service/products available there. When landline customer reduced and there was no profit from that product, the phone companies started to get the lines off. If YLE isnt profitable, they can do same.

Landlines are dying out since everyone wants their personal mobile phone these days.

OK YLE is dying out and majority want to be able to choose what they need and want

I still dont think YLE should broadcast RobinHood (from UK)if they are there for Finnish culture and promoting Finland's interest. They should find a RobinHood from Finland and broadcast that instead They should also leave broadcasting programmes like that entirely to others who are doing that well and getting money off it. Many adolescent these days are not (even willingly) sitting down in front of YLE for their entertainment. They get it from somewhere else.

I don’t see what Internet, landlines, or expensive card-sharing equipment has to do with that locking the YLE channels behind viewing cards would be a technical nightmare and severely restrict the ways the “normal” television channels can be watched as compared to the current situation. Not to mention it would of course go completely against the very idea of “public service”.

If other operators can provide katselukortti without problems and can still share it in the same household on several TVs, I dont see any reason why YLE cant. There are already devices that dont cost a fortune and will share the card in the same household. This isn't 1709, this is 2009!

YLE is a public service and profitability is in their vocabulary? If they need to restrict people who are not paying from viewing their content, then that is what they need to do. They should technically block it from unpaying public and if anyone misses his or her programmes from YLE, that person can simply go and subcribe. It should be as simple as A, B and C

LIke you said,

I don’t subscribe to pay channels.

so pay-channel providers dont have to send you any bills by force unlike YLE that is planning to start forcing everyone to subscribe even when they dont need.

[Upphew]

If other operators can provide katselukortti without problems and can still share it in the same household on several TVs, I dont see any reason why YLE cant. There are already devices that dont cost a fortune and will share the card in the same household. This isn't 1709, this is 2009!

Of course YLE could do that... its just that they mandated move to digi-tv (no card reader required) and if they year or two after that mandated that reader is required, someone might think that they aren't doing their job properly... maybe they should wait and couple that move with hdtv?

YLE is a public service and profitability is in their vocabulary? If they need to restrict people who are not paying from viewing their content, then that is what they need to do. They should technically block it from unpaying public and if anyone misses his or her programmes from YLE, that person can simply go and subcribe. It should be as simple as A, B and C

YLE must, by law, do things that other players don't have to do. And profitability should be there when talking about public institutions... they are going to bloat anyways, so why not _try_ to rein in?

LIke you said,

I don’t subscribe to pay channels.

so pay-channel providers dont have to send you any bills by force unlike YLE that is planning to start forcing everyone to subscribe even when they dont need.

2 words: budget funding.

[Pursuivant]

Well teletubbies is quite popular and seems that childs like it, im ready to shoot myself after 1,12min tho

http://www.servus.at/DNS/tele/teletubbies.swf

[dampa]

Of course YLE could do that...

Then why cant they just do that? They are doing their job perfectly well if they do introduce the cards.

YLE must, by law, do things that other players don't have to do. And profitability should be there when talking about public institutions...

Interesting Like broadcasting Robin Hood? Public institutions include our health centers too remember?

[onkko]

Interesting Like broadcasting Robin Hood?

Yes

Act on Yleisradio OY

Chapter 3

Section 7 (635/2005)

The public service programming shall in particular:

6) promote cultural interaction and provide programming directed abroad;
and

[Cod]

If drive a Fiat Bambino original, top speed of say 80kmh, my road taxes pay for other users to drive on the same motorway at 120kmh (ie, road curves are designed for top speed and cost alot more than a road that can take a car at top speed of 80kmh) People like me and my 1.1l Twingo barely complain about this kind of thing, so whats the issue with a flat media fee if we already have a nearly flat road tax?

[Peace Lover]

I don't have a TV or a radio. I certainly object to this proposed legislation.