Offers in finnish supermarkets

[micky-in-helsinki]

When I say Swedes and Sweden, I mean mainly their contributions in the past to bring Finland to here.

And please don't say Matti Ahtesari, he is a good finn but in my personal opinion peace Nobel prize is not a prestigious award anymore. It's more about politics these days

[EP]

in my opinion Finland is a developed country thanks to swedes and sweden.

Oh lord. Finns were just cannon food for Sweden. Finland could only start to develope when they got autonomy under Russia. Also for the rapid growth of industry we have to "thank" Russians. Finland had massive war reparition costs to pay, and the only way to manage that was to industrialize the counry, and to do it fast so SU could not find an excuse to occupy.

Don´t you know that surname doesn´t tell your language or ethnicity? There are Swedish-speakers with Finnish surnames and even more Finnish-speakers with Swedish surnames. Finlad has four Nobe-prize winners. Three have a Finnish surname, one has a Swedish surname.

[onkko]

Just keen to know about any great sholar, artist or scientist from Finland not having a Swedish surname? I am not talking about local heroes but international heroes.

Artturi Ilmari Virtanen, Frans Eemil Sillanpää, Martti Ahtisaari, Alvar Aalto, Renny Harlin (Lauri Harjola), Arto Paasilinna, Mika Waltari. Those comes on mind in first.

[Rosamunda]

But (looking forwards, rather than backwards)... there is a (IMHO) valid argument NOWADAYS which argues that the inclusion of Swedish in the National Core Curriculum (7th - 9th grade) has a negative impact on the opprtunities for Finns to learn other languages (such as Russian, Chinese etc). Finnish kids who take Finnish mother tongue and English as their A1 language will probably choose French or German as their A2 language (since that is what is available in most primary schools). So, by the time they start secondary school they are already learning three languages and have to take compulsory Swedish as their fourth. This means that Russian, Chinese etc are only available as, at best, a meagre B1 or B2 language elective in either 8th or 9th grade or maybe not even until lukio. And kids who opt for long maths and science are unlikely to take up those options. So the only kids who are learning Russian are the ones who qualify for the immigrant mother-tongue programme (and that is only 90 minutes per week). Shame.

[Jukka Aho]

I think this thread confuses national identity / nationality and languages. The two are not the same thing and considering Finland-Swedes “Swedish” (even in their origin) may not be historically too accurate. I’ve posted this before but it’s a good introduction to the subject:

• So it seems - a question of identity (Mia Lindström)

[Huy]

I think this thread is a total

[Huy]

And just to derail it further, I will hereby announce my intention to start the car and drive to IKEA, devour some nice swedish meatballs avec sauce et lingonberry jam.
After the feast I will buy 3 bags of meatballs, 6 packs of sauce and 3 jars of jam for rainy days.

[AldenG]

Intellect, "ratiocination," raw intelligence, IQ . . . It's remarkable how little the underlying trait contributes to real-world accomplishment, happiness, legacy, being a worthwhile human being, or much else. (It may equally surprise some how oddly unpersuasive it is to harangue others about one's own intellectual superiority over their stupidity, idiocy, cretinism, and such. Funny, that. You'd think people would immediately jump to agreement once they recognized their overwhelming inferiority.)

Any level of pure intelligence above "high normal" is maladaptive. When you get into the 2% region, not to mention the airless realms of 0.2% and 0.02%, you're usually dealing with serious dysfunction or outright pathology. Such children can theoretically grow up to be well-functioning, happy individuals who produce actual accomplishments. But that is most likely when their distinction is treated as the severe handicap it actually represents. They should receive lots of remedial attention to fill out the other areas of personhood required to become a balanced and high-functioning individual.

Education is not inherently so maladaptive, although it can become an expression of dysfunction and a refuge for those who can't do anything else. Education works best in the hands of those who have normal or high-normal intelligence and who have strong roots in life outside academia. For a person with pathologically high intelligence to take refuge in academia is a recipe for misfortune. Such a person might eventually produce a worthwhile body of scholarship, but it is actually more likely that their less-gifted colleagues would do so. There are isolated examples of the super-intelligent accomplishing something worthwhile in life: Newton, Einstein, Leibniz, Edison . . . But most enduring accomplishments are made by people whose strengths are less cerebral.

A poster wrote in some thread recently that an MBA program contributes to the cultural wealth and intelligence of Finland while YLE's programming does not. Well I don't know what YLE's programming looks like today, but at least in the 1980's it was some of the best public programming in the world. It provided unique windows onto life and culture. And being unique, it was and probably continues to be more valuable than any particular MBA program, unless Finland only had one of those. A subset of YLE programs probably ought to be required viewing for MBA candidates -- if for no other reason, then at least to prevent head-up-the-ass syndrome, a serious medical/intellectual condition for which specialists are at heightened risk. It's hard to be a smart, winning businessman if the only dimensions you can see are the tangible, quantifiable ones. That puts you at a disadvantage against competitors who recognize both those AND the intangible ones.

All this stuff about Finland-never-accomplished-this and Finland-never-accomplished-that (at least not without Swedes or Russians) is pretty ironic coming from people who probably are not on any roster of enduring accomplishments themselves. And a degree is only an accomplishment when it's the first on a list of many others which it enabled. Otherwise it's a mere achievement, or even a vanity.

If you really want a trait that's worth cultivating and priding oneself on, leadership seems to me far more valuable than intelligence. Most accomplishments rely so much more on the ability to work well with others than on intellect or education. And the ability to catalyze and direct productive group work is one of the most rare and valuable abilities there can be. But it doesn't happen by telling people how stupid they are.

[mrjimsfc]

I observed the highest moron density in the United States (The world's super power). You can run into a moron every ten meters there. There is no insult to anybody on this forum

Of course I (a moron from the U.S.) can take you to a place (and leave you there) in the U.S. where you will die before meeting even one moron. BTW, that "moron", if he came along, and you're smart enough to ask him for help, could save your super intelligent, non-insulting a$$ from a lingering painful death.

[Pursuivant]

My dear, Alden, you have once again intervened without reading the thread. Go to page 1 and you will see how stupid raamv's interventions were.

Raamvis just fed up of y'all stupid foreigners straight off ryanair coming up with some "revelation" - as if the people in the country can't figure out the reason of "because" themselves. We live here and dealt with that stuff multiple times ad nauseam. Jante Law - don't assume you know better anything than *us*. If it says no droids then your droids should stay out. You just watch yourself, I have a death penalty in 12 galaxies. Negola dewaghi wooldugger?

[easily-lost]

I guess "angry" raamv is not doing the one-night-stand as micky-in-helsinki bragged about earlier, or the following at least...

EU citizen moving to Finland from China

Postby David Webb » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:18 am

Hello, I am English, but currently living in China. Apparently it would help things if I moved back to England, claimed the dole for 3 months and tried to transfer that to Finland. What if I move straight to Finland? I won't be able to get any government help, for how long? Will I be able to get a resident's permit immediately and start looking for work? What exactly is the process? Is it as I have surmised below?

1. Day 1 in Finland, visit police station and register.
2. Day 2 apply for and soon get resident's permit.
3. Support self for how long before allowed to join an integration plan? Is that 3 months or one year?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14833&p=142158#p142158

[sammy]

What is Raamv doing in Finland anyway? Wrong continent.

That quote might be worth preserving for posterity before his Royal Highness B.E.XIV introduces the mother of all thread killers, the kebab...

Anyway if you must know the answer to that question is on page 1 of this thread:

Tunnen olevani Suomalainen, sydamelltäni ja sielulltani, elaessani täällä, vaikka olenkin synttynyt Intiassa!

I've only had the pleasure to meet Raamv once, in the pub quiz (quite a while ago) when we chanced to be in the same team - maybe he's gone totally tonto in the meantime for lack of fresh curry leaves - but to me he seemed an intelligent and decent bloke, the sort of person I'm more than happy to welcome to my country any day.

Not that I'd know him very well, though, what with having to stare at him (a real foreigner - yikes) and simultaneously discriminating against the member in our team who has a Swedish (ptooey) family name.

[Pursuivant]

I just commented on Raamv claiming the issue was a prized part of Finnish culture and so refusal to accept overcharging is someohow a criticism of Finnish culture.

As compared to America it is a big f* shock that "if you buy something - is yours"... as in you want to exchange something because - you used to have to ask an "open sale". Not like if you don't like the color the next day you can bring it back... Finland was a very restricted commercial place, and I could ask now easily-lost if not there is a "face" also in Finland not to be able to confront "I confess, I was stupid, I bought crap"....such a confession would get a "Finnish man" into tantrums or in a Japanese manner taking his toyota over a cliff...

I might be biased as I know RaamV personally and know his history and how hes not only dealt with the shock of moving between cultures a couple times but actually lived happily in each of them.

[Pursuivant]

I've only had the pleasure to meet Raamv once, in the pub quiz (quite a while ago) when we chanced to be in the same team

I don't discriminate, if you're good on music.

[umit]

I observed the highest moron density in the United States (The world's super power). You can run into a moron every ten meters there. There is no insult to anybody on this forum

Of course I (a moron from the U.S.) can take you to a place (and leave you there) in the U.S. where you will die before meeting even one moron. BTW, that "moron", if he came along, and you're smart enough to ask him for help, could save your super intelligent, non-insulting a$$ from a lingering painful death.

Mr.Jim, why did you take it personal? Maybe it was just my sheer misfortune to come across to a moron every ten meters (at the airport, in the library, university, office depot, wal-mart, petrol station, police station, hotel, and so on)... As I said it was only my observation. Nothing academic or scientific. On the other hand, I have met lots of americans with above average IQ. One of them was a 150cm tall, 70 years old granny who was chief of IT in a government institution.