TV Licenses Replaced With "Media Fee".. Eveybody MUST Pay..

[Karhunkoski]

KK, we just recently had a thread on the issue in the Pub viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37701

Hups, it's been a busy week.

[dampa]

This is a hot debate everywhere and now Matti's talking

[luckykitty]

Media fee really sucks. who checks YLE services everyday, cos I don't. I don't even watch TV. Should be user-pays as always, and like every other country, ad support seems to be enough to run programmes. And the fee is actually really high assuming they are planning to collect it from everyone, for services that not everyone uses. if it was lower it might make more sense, http://www.hs.fi/english/article/%E2%80 ... 5245429224, they are gaining 20 million more this way, which will be used for...? Like for the sort of stuff that I dont care to watch it at all, like Kotikatu. What kind of extra progamming or benefits do they want to give for 20million or i mean keep for themselves? Can we petition this ?

[Jukka Aho]

like every other country, ad support seems to be enough to run programmes

“...two-thirds of the countries in Europe and half of the countries in Asia and Africa use television licences to fund public television.”
 

[luckykitty]

like every other country, ad support seems to be enough to run programmes

“...two-thirds of the countries in Europe and half of the countries in Asia and Africa use television licences to fund public television.”

Oops sorry guess im not from Europe . no matter what country i go to the programming seems to be more or less the same, bunch of soap operas that i dont watch, just the amount of ads vary. I would rather get a choice of whether to watch an ad or not, then pay 175e whether i watch tv or not.

[Jukka Aho]

I would rather get a choice of whether to watch an ad or not, then pay 175e whether i watch tv or not.

As has been said a couple of times over the course of this thread, it’s not so much about ad-free viewing but 1) financing the production of local programming with local viewpoints that isn’t commercially viable in a small country like Finland and would not get produced otherwise, and 2) supporting certain goals or values which are deemed to benefit the society as whole and which the ad-sponsored channels would not want to take care of. I’m referring to Act on Yleisradio Oy, Chapter 3, Section 7, “Public Service”, again.
 

[dampa]

Can we petition this ?

There are loads floating already on the Internet from Facebook to websites... you name it. Here is one for you if you dont mind signing up!

As has been said a couple of times over the course of this thread, it’s not so much about ad-free viewing but 1) financing the production of local programming with local viewpoints that isn’t commercially viable in a small country like Finland and would not get produced otherwise, and 2) supporting certain goals or values which are deemed to benefit the society as whole and which the ad-sponsored channels would not want to take care of. I’m referring to Act on Yleisradio Oy, Chapter 3, Section 7, “Public Service”, again.

1. Like broadcasting Robinhood, Sopranos K15, Doc on Fela Kuti, Historiaa: Deng Xiaoping Kiinan johdossa, UEFA matches e.t.c fulfils 1 in your quote???
2. Urheilukanava & Canal + takes good care of sport matches very well for those who are interested but YLE still broadcast football matches and claim according to 2 above that ad-sponsored channels would not want to take care of these sort of programs.

I would rather like to see that Act on Yleisradio Oy amended and be treated like every other "oy" like MTV3 & Nelonen. My 2 cents

Hopefully some Mr. Ram won't tell me to pack my bags and leave Finland with this post

[Jukka Aho]

1. Like broadcasting Robinhood, Sopranos K15,

We’ve already discussed these on this thread. (I’m not sure what’s the point of “forgetting” what has been previously said every once in a while... at least it’s not a too efficient debating technique. :) As I already said, I don’t like YLE’s HBO deal myself. The Sopranos etc. are just the kind of material that has been the bread and butter of the ad-sponsored broadcasters, so there’s no ”need” to broadcast them with the license fees. I’d rather applaud YLE’s efforts at showing us programming the commercial broadcasters don’t – and won’t. However, YLE’s (Jungner’s?) current position is they can’t be just a totally dry and uptight “utilitarian” broadcaster with no popular big name shows to lure in the viewers. I don’t agree with this strategy, but in the big picture, the HBO deal is still just a one-off anomaly: it has not been YLE’s normal way of handling things.

It should be noted, though, that some foreign shows are only available from the distributors as packages. To get the rights to air the show you want, you will often need to buy the rights to some other lesser quality shows as well which are part of the “package” even if you didn’t want them. (That’s “free market” for you...) YLE suffers from this just the same as the ad-sponsored broadcasters, and sometimes gets these shows that do not really fit too well in their philosophy... Then you’re left with the decision of whether to air them at all or not... (which one would waste the license payers’ money less?)

Doc on Fela Kuti, Historiaa: Deng Xiaoping Kiinan johdossa,

“The public service programming shall in particular: [...] take educational [...] aspects into consideration in the
programmes, provide an opportunity to learn and study [...] promote cultural interaction [...]”

Fela Kuti was “[...] a Nigerian multi-instrumentalist musician and composer, pioneer of afrobeat music, human rights activist, and political maverick. HMV ranked him #46 on a list of the top-100 most influential musicians of the 20th century”.

I don’t probably need to quote who Deng Xiaoping was and what was his influence on creating modern-day China. (My history teacher in school often urged us to watch these documentaries on TV...)

UEFA matches e.t.c fulfils 1 in your quote??? :roll:

I’m not too interested in sports myself, but YLE’s position has been that big sports events where Finns take part belong under the category of “produce, create and develop Finnish culture, art and inspiring entertainment;” and should be available for every citizen to view. I’m not sure about the Finnish team in UEFA but at least sports in general is in many ways a state-sponsored activity in this country so I guess on a general level it’s just fair that we get to see where our tax money is poured...

[dampa]

All your points are noted and fully understood... can't wait for the final say on this anyway. It's gonna be interesting...

Plus I know who Fela Kuti is even before the Egypt 80 band and YLE don't have to tell me who Deng Xiaoping is either

[Upphew]

Plus I know who Fela Kuti is even before the Egypt 80 band and YLE don't have to tell me who Deng Xiaoping is either

Good for you, what about the unwashed masses?

[dampa]

Plus I know who Fela Kuti is even before the Egypt 80 band and YLE don't have to tell me who Deng Xiaoping is either

Good for you, what about the unwashed masses?

Good for them too...if they are interested, they could get to know Fela or whoever however even if YLE never existed

This was topic of discussion btw some madames during lunch today at work and I heard one of the IT guys said to them, "What about if everyone in Finland had to pay the compulsory ajoneuvovero even when they don't actually own a car and probably will end up driving one several times of the year? And I was like, that is a good point...