Separate swimming times for women based on religion.

[network_engineer]

Hi all,

Found this topic in the news, any comments?

Kind regards.

[Mölkky-Fan]

just a little surprised they got any complaints about it!

[maurine]

it's good they respected their wishes. Although the saying still stands " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do"

[pseudo]

Total !"#¤%.

[network_engineer]

Hi all,

Very depressing. You can actually find the discussion in Finnish here

I posted my own views on this as well.

Basically, Personally, I do NOT agree with the respectable ombudsman's views on this. I would even opine that this is a very negative situation. If at all, this further allows for a segregated society and promotes segregation than integration, particularly keeping immigrant women in mind. It is the need of Finland that they [the immigrants] learn to accept the rules of their current society. Otherwise very soon, this is going to lead to further requirements based on "special" needs.

Finland is certainly a country with freedoms, freedoms includes leaving the country if you do not agree with the society and the values and principles it runs by.

Personally, I think this is a step in the wrong direction. If the immigrants are not willing to integrate, then there are other options available to them. After all, if I had a desire to chase the "American dream", I would not be chasing it in Ghana, India, China or elsewhere than America. What part of this is so hard to understand?

Their very values have created problems in their society and home country.

I am even thinking of sending feedback to the ombudsman on this. I also hold negative views on immigrants pushing the city to pay for teaching their native languages to their kids. I often ask them: Why should your kid be more special [compared to the average Finnish kid] when it comes to teaching costs. Sure, it is one's freedom to teach one's language and your culture to their kids, but why burden the tax payer?

And no, with regard to one of the earlier posts, it is not good. Multiple societies that are at odds with each other do no good for the society. If multiple societies do not conflict, then there is no problem, but this gives the view that you can create and maintain conflicting divisions in society. A slight stricter view would [in a manner] ensure that well-meaning immigrants would be the ones moving in here.

[onkko]

Tatars must have serious mental damage, they have been swimming with dhimmis over century...

[Upphew]

it's good they respected their wishes. Although the saying still stands " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do"

@#$%! Why they demanded separate swimming time and not lower taxes, more wages, prettier women and longer summers (with free booze!)!?! Those furriners cannot do anything right... gdmn!

[network_engineer]

It is hardly about the clothing, the very desire for segregation implies [IMVHO]:

- No willingness to be part of society
- To be a burden on society by demanding special rights, or rather privileges.

So, does that mean if I follow a new religion that practices exclusion, I can have the swimming pool, the locker room and the sauna all to myself from 17.00 - 19.00? And yes, my imaginary religion does not permit use of electricity in the sauna, so wood sauna only please and reserved for me.

Over 15 pages of posts from the public on HS.fi does tell what society thinks of it. It is in fact such ridiculous views and behavior that leads negative impression of immigrants.

[onkko]

Finnish muslims.



(that weird little man with tatar woman is Ben Zyskowicz who is finnish jude and 2nd generation poland jude thats why weird name and face )




Its really hard to understand how these muslims have religion what doesnt say you cant swim with others..

[sammy]

Hmm... I think in some swimming halls there are (at least on some days) separate swimming times for men and for women... I wonder if there'd be such a fuss if some swimming hall introduced gay swimming hours? Or swimming hours for some sect like the Jehova's witnesses... lestadiolaiset... etc.

While I sort of understand the people's attitudes, then again, it's only a swimming pool innit - and only at some particular swimming halls (AFAIK) so in that sense I don't think it's a big issue at all.

BUT at the same time I do think that it is sort of sad that a portion (not all!) of the Islamic immigrant population do not seem to wish to mingle with us natives much at all... then again the opposite is also true... I dunno, as far as it doesn't hurt anyone...

[Mölkky-Fan]

There are also many women only fitness clubs etc being advertised here, so there must be a demand. There are women only saunas as well, and there were already women swimming times at our local pool.

What is the problem?

Also integration does not mean that people have to give up their own religious beliefs as long as it does not break any laws.

[maurine]

it's good they respected their wishes. Although the saying still stands " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do"

@#$%! Why they demanded separate swimming time and not lower taxes, more wages, prettier women and longer summers (with free booze!)!?! Those furriners cannot do anything right... gdmn!

C'mmon Upphew, you dont need to get personal, read my comments well and understand, you dont need to be rude. as i stated " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do" same applies to Finland, Finnish culture should be accepted and respected. but if their wish was granted then good for them. I cant do anything about it.

[pseudo]

There are also many women only fitness clubs etc being advertised here, so there must be a demand.

Seems you need a bit of economic lesson. Care to do some self-study on demand and supply?

There are women only saunas as well, and there were already women swimming times at our local pool. What is the problem?

That's the point. Men and Women. No other !"#¤%.

Also integration does not mean that people have to give up their own religious beliefs as long as it does not break any laws.

So, swimming with Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Jewish etc. women is against their religion? @#$% their religion then!

[Upphew]

There are also many women only fitness clubs etc being advertised here, so there must be a demand. There are women only saunas as well, and there were already women swimming times at our local pool.

What is the problem?

The problem is that, there is not a separate swimming time for white men called Upphew that has black swimming trunks unless forgotten home. I'm all for gay/lesbian/men/women/muslim/Jew/whatever swimming halls, they need just to buy land, zone it, build that swimming hall and use their swimming hall as they see fit. They may let white men called Upphew that has black swimming trunks unless forgotten home to swim there or not. Its build with their moneys so I play by their rules.

C'mmon Upphew, you dont need to get personal, read my comments well and understand, you dont need to be rude. as i stated " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do" same applies to Finland, Finnish culture should be accepted and respected. but if their wish was granted then good for them. I cant do anything about it.

I wasn't rude! You don't know (for sure) if I wrote @#$% or @#$%? I was merely pointing out that if they play by separate rules, why not push those rules to the limits and beyond? And don't say you wouldn't like lower taxes, more money and longer summer. Prettier women might be somewhat problematic as women already residing in Finland might take that as unfair competition. Free booze... well, it is free so it must be good?

And if I want to get personal with you, I'll ask your phone number

[maurine]

C'mmon Upphew, you dont need to get personal, read my comments well and understand, you dont need to be rude. as i stated " if you go to Rome do what the Romans do" same applies to Finland, Finnish culture should be accepted and respected. but if their wish was granted then good for them. I cant do anything about it.

I wasn't rude! You don't know (for sure) if I wrote @#$% or @#$%? I was merely pointing out that if they play by separate rules, why not push those rules to the limits and beyond? And don't say you wouldn't like lower taxes, more money and longer summer. Prettier women might be somewhat problematic as women already residing in Finland might take that as unfair competition. Free booze... well, it is free so it must be good?

And if I want to get personal with you, I'll ask your phone number [/quote]


point well taken,