Why should we? That would mean we get more foreigners here.tuulen wrote: You guys in Finland just don't make learning the Finnish language easy!
I send some salmiakki to my greatgrandfathersfather cousins grandchildren or something like that, just to annoy himPursuivant wrote:Why should we? That would mean we get more foreigners here.tuulen wrote: You guys in Finland just don't make learning the Finnish language easy!
BTW I just sent 3 kilos worth of salmiakki and grammar books to California. For someone who asked nicely and didn't whine. Actually I sent a dictionary to someone in Mexico as he needed it, and didn't ask. You need to learn the Finnish mind, the language follows.
tuulen wrote:And, the grammar information needed simply is not available on the Internet. Yes, there are some useful websites, but ultimately they are quite limited in content, and that's why high quality printed publications are so necessary.
..."language"..."grammar".... Dictionary? Sanakirja? I am likely one of only a few Americans who happens to own WSOYn Nykysuomen sanakirja, 15 painos, in six volumes.Pursuivant wrote:Why should we? That would mean we get more foreigners here.tuulen wrote: You guys in Finland just don't make learning the Finnish language easy!
BTW I just sent 3 kilos worth of salmiakki and grammar books to California. For someone who asked nicely and didn't whine. Actually I sent a dictionary to someone in Mexico as he needed it, and didn't ask. You need to learn the Finnish mind, the language follows.
Well...I can't figure out houruat...Rob A. wrote:Well...I'm working on it...without any help...Pursuivant wrote:mitä vanha valitat
itket iänikuinen
houruat homeinen
kuiskit kohta kuopattu
theres something for you guys try to figure that one out
So far...
"What old choices you cry constantly (??) moldy madhouses you whisper soon buried."
Oh well ...maybe I can improve on it overnight... (if someone else doesn't figure it out first)...
It's close to something called salt licorice, but it also contains ammonia.tuulen wrote: BTW, I have no idea as to what salmiakki could be, although I have heard of it, and apparently some like it, and some don't.
Thank you, that's an armload of useful information!Rob A. wrote:tuulen wrote:And, the grammar information needed simply is not available on the Internet. Yes, there are some useful websites, but ultimately they are quite limited in content, and that's why high quality printed publications are so necessary.
Hmmmm....I don't seem to have much trouble finding good information on the internet...to me it seems to be full of material ....
I borrowed a book from the local library once..."Finnish for Foreigners"....and I did get a few "hand-outs" when was attending Finnish night-school...other than that it's all been off the net....
Wiktionary and wikipedia and wikibooks are pretty good....though you do have to be alert for errors....but, gosh, it's free ...
Then there is this site:
http://www.uusikielemme.fi/
...and this:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/Finnish.html
....and there are scads of other sites that I would have to spend some time recalling...they go on and on....but you should google using obvious search terms...like "Finnish"...
....there are lots of "beginner sites"...I used "Tavataan taas"....
...and, although, it's still quite a slog for me there is this huge resource:
Iso suomen kielioppi
....freely available on-line...though, if you insist, you can order it from a book store and pay something like €122 plus shipping...
You can also easy order books online in North America...(and some of them you can preview at "GoogleBooks" or ScribeD or whatever...):
Finnish for Foreigners
this is the Karlsson book
Finnish Grammar
this is the Abondolo book
....You can also find a lot of this stuff at http://www.chapters.indigo.ca....and there will likely be equivlalnt sites in the US....
The previous discussion about Abondolo lead me to this:
The Uralic Languages
....and I see I can easily get a copy...CDN$85....
This is a linguistics book....but it looks absolutely fascinating to me....I like his writing style; he gets to the point and moves along quickly ....
Aha! The secret is now out.AldenG wrote:It's close to something called salt licorice, but it also contains ammonia.tuulen wrote: BTW, I have no idea as to what salmiakki could be, although I have heard of it, and apparently some like it, and some don't.
In other words, take American licorice, remove the sweetener, add salt and ammonia, and there you are.
tuulen wrote:Aha! The secret is now out.AldenG wrote:It's close to something called salt licorice, but it also contains ammonia.tuulen wrote: BTW, I have no idea as to what salmiakki could be, although I have heard of it, and apparently some like it, and some don't.
In other words, take American licorice, remove the sweetener, add salt and ammonia, and there you are.
Personally, I avoid sugar, not that I need to but just as a matter of preference.
But ammonia? Whoa! No wonder that some might like it, while others don't.
Satish wrote:I always thought uudelleen was 'just' an adverb (again, anew etc) but Abondollo in his "Colloquial Finnish" book talks about it as - "an adverbial expression with a possessive suffix".
uudelleen = uude | lle | en = at its new (literally)
Well, if the ending is a possessive suffix, I tried googling uudelleni, uudellesi, uudellenne, uudellemme. I do get some hits with them but I just can't get my head around the situation when you would use these words!
