I want to move to Finland for the Adult Education..

[IlikeFinland]

My name is David, 18 years old, I am a residant of England and have a part time job. I have very little qualifications, having failed my primary school exams when I was young and most of my secondary ones too. I have a little money in my bank, about £10,000.

My reasons for wanting to come to finland are as thus:

I've read this pdf file about immigrant education in Finland. http://www.edu.fi/maahanmuuttajat/esite ... valmis.pdf

What are the chances of myself coming to finland for the 'basic education and general upper secondary education for adults' ?

It says it is intended for over 18 year olds who have otherwise not completed any form of basic education (primary and secondary education in Britain) and of course I would be willing to learn Finnish as soon as possible.

Britain is in such a mess and I refuse point blank to attend ridiculous courses here that do not work (Skills for Life for example). I feel that if I do not do something now I probably will never get the chance to.

Regarding work, is it possible to get work in Finland for somone like myself? labour and industrial, anything so long as I could support myself while I learn. I wouldn't even care if I was living in a shack, so long as things paid off eventually.

I can be a hard worker, diligent and enthusiastic if given the chance, and very respectful of Finland Culture. If it is possible for me to come to Finland then I would make it my goal to contribute.

[tuulen]

Hi, David,

Let me introduce myself as a resident of the US, who has no plan to move to Finland, but who has fallen in love with the Finnish language.

Now, I am ignorant as to just what the laws of immigration into Finland could be, but I gather that immigration into Finland simply is not easy.

For one thing, and provided that you have no criminal background and/or are not a fugitive of Justice, learning the Finnish language is a must.

So, as my recommendation to you, I would suggest that you make every effort to learn the Finnish language, by using every available resource.

By doing so, moreover, it is likely that you will learn much about Finland, the Finnish people, and just where you might fit into the picture.

But, as a native English speaker myself, and from my own experience, I can assure you that you could be in for a fair amount of study, please.

[ajl]

Hi David,

There must be some other reasons to choose Finland over so many English speaking countries, no? I'm
sorry to say that this forum attract wackos who seem to know zero about the country but pin hopes
and dreams on the country fufilling very far out desires. In ref to the original post - giving up on your options in
your country doesn't bode well for success in Finland, and it doesn't sell yourself in the best light. I admire
the independant spirit people show when considering moving to Finland, but mostly I think they need some
better support structures right where they are so they can make better informed decisions.

Finland has some great reasons to attract people, but even the art/architecture/other things combined would
not be enough to get me to move here if I didn't have family reasons. The darkness is rough enough (not the
cold, cold is ok; well some -30C is ok, lower than that it gets a bit much for me).

-Amy

[rinso]

It should be possible to enter an adult education course in Finland.
But:
- language will be a problem, unless you find a course in english
- you have to pay for everything yourself. 10.000 won't last long
- there have been mass lay off's lately, white collar and blue collar.
those people have priority if new jobs appear. So little chance for work.

[tuulen]

...I'm sorry to say that this forum attract wackos who seem to know zero about the country but pin hopes
and dreams on the country fufilling very far out desires...

That may be true of this forum, but it may also be true of any similar forum, no matter where. For some, perhaps a foreign country could serve as an escape from their current reality, which might not be realistic. Then again, however, apparently due to persecution and maybe worse, perhaps an escape to another country could be a realistic plan.

I have no plan to move to Finland, although it's likely that someday I could be a tourist in Finland, for a little while. My interest in the Finnish language comes from the fact that my wife, her parents and her family are from Finland, and so for me learning the Finnish language is something of a natural extension to my relationship to them, and to other Finns I have met here, in the US.

However, I sometimes wonder if I might get eaten by a bear, while in Finland. ;-)

[Vesper]

David,

I think you are lucky to have a part-time job without a secondary upper education. I live in the U.S., if you don't have a high school diploma your chances of getting a job is very limited. I'm not sure what are the qualifications for getting a blue collar job in Finland, but I can image the standards are the same. (except you must speak Finnish.) A secondary upper education is a must, I really hope you continue to pursuit it even in England. The education level is valued more in Finland, because the education is free of Finns. There are Finns who have earned Master degrees, but still work for blue collar jobs. If you are truly going to pursuit your adult education in Finland, life will be a constant up hill battle that you might never win. The choose is yours, just be prepared and on guard for the worst to happen. Always research your options.

[Rosamunda]

My name is David, 18 years old, I am a residant of England and have a part time job.

Are you an EU citizen?

I don't think it is possible for a NON-EU citizen to get residency to study in Upper Secondary school. Eira high school for adults would be able to confirm this for you. http://www.eiraedu.com/english/index.php

How come you managed to fail your school exams yet you can write a post without any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors? Most graduate students who post on here are not capable of that.

[biscayne]

Mmmmm, yes Penelope, I think you are on to something here - the average Brit who has failed at both primary and secondary level, is unlikely to be able to write so well, the only real mistake I notice is that he says "very little qualifications" as opposed to "very few" which is more likely, the other thing is that he uses the word "thus", which is unusual. I'm not sure what is really going on here.

To the OP, if you are genuine, then you must realise that basic and secondary level education, while available in English in Finland, are not really geared towards adult persons coming from overseas to gain an education which they should have gained in their own country, it is geared towards the children of foreigners living here - legally, for whatever reason: refugee, ex-pat, foreign workers etc. While it might technically be possible for you to do so, you would likely have to finance yourself 100% all the way, which means living expenses and medical insurance. You could check it out, but I doubt that the 3 golden keys for residency - job, family, education extend to getting a primary or secondary education here, I believe it means 3rd level. Even then, let us say that you do arrive in Finland and complete secondary level (in English), if you had such difficulty with education in the past, it would surely prove difficult for you to learn Finnish (a notoriously difficult language to learn), which means you might end up right back at square one, as in the end, if you cannot speak Finnish, you are unlikely to have access to the job market. What you claim you want to do, is "doable" - if you have plenty of money, and time. Otherwise, why don't you complete secondary education in England? You don't have to do meaningless courses, you can do O and A levels at night school or on your days off from the part-time job. A levels are the same as Finnish Lukio, so what is the difference to you?

[Mölkky-Fan]

There are quite a few mistakes (spelling, capitalisation, grammar) in his posting, but who is counting!

I think it is a joke, primary school testing... what would an 18 year old be discussing this for? The language sounds like it is from a quite educated person...

[Upphew]

However, I sometimes wonder if I might get eaten by a bear, while in Finland.

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a bear.

[tuulen]

However, I sometimes wonder if I might get eaten by a bear, while in Finland.

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a bear.

lol The grue of Finland! But actually, I was only half joking. My wife and I lived in a big city for more than ten years, and big cities do have their attractions. I'd like to spend a little time in Helsinki and some other interesting Finnish cities, but many of the other attractions in Finland appear to be in fairly remote places with few people. And, I suppose that bears like fairly remote places with few people, too.

[AldenG]

The only place I ever encountered bears in Finland or Sweden was the zoo.

I've had black cats cross in front of the car. White cats cross in front of the car. Moose stand in the road. Reindeer get tossed by a train. Hedgehogs shake their quills at me. Norwegians invade a sauna. A randomly encountered prime minister on skis share a snack on Seurasaari on New Year's Day.

And I've seen wild bears in Nova Scotia and South Carolina and North Carolina.

But I've never run into a bear in Finland.

That's not to deny they exist, but I think in Finland, you're more likely to get eaten by a tax man than a bear.

[AldenG]

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Damned double posts.

[onkko]

However, I sometimes wonder if I might get eaten by a bear, while in Finland.

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a bear.

lol The grue of Finland! But actually, I was only half joking. My wife and I lived in a big city for more than ten years, and big cities do have their attractions. I'd like to spend a little time in Helsinki and some other interesting Finnish cities, but many of the other attractions in Finland appear to be in fairly remote places with few people. And, I suppose that bears like fairly remote places with few people, too.

Well in last 100 years there have been few deaths caused by bear, last one was jogger running between mother bear and childs and he died by bad luck, bear didnt maul, eat or such just hit and that caused death by bad luck. One bad hit. One before that is history and nothing sure is known.
I have liven in northern finland and travelled around forests, once i have seen bear tracks. Bears in here thank to centuries of hunting are more afraid of you than you are on them. They flee if they see/smell you first.

If you see bear then ->
> walk back slowly, make some noise but nothing too much.
> dont look in eyes and for good dont run!
> if it follows drop something like jacket.
> do not try to hit it with rocks or woods, it just annoys it. And if you have gun then better to be sure you really leathally hit it on first try.
> if it does attack it can be false attack to tell you to fck off so dont try anything.
> on false or real attack try to look dead, bears dont usually eat humans and see them "only" threat.

> if you see carcass of elk or something probably killed by bear retreat on where you came.
> same if you see bear nest.

> you CANT outrun, ourclimb or outswim bear, if it really wants you you have no change.


Probability that you really see a bear is zero, probability you see a bear and it attacks you is zero. You have really have to born under bad stars to die by bear in finland
Still we teach what to do with bears to childrens because its not cuddly teddybear but huge carnivore.

[tuulen]

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