Airport security screening jobs

[catchmeifucan]

But, you are missing the point that, there can be people here who might speak those languages.

No, you are missing the point. WE ARE IN FINLAND NOW. There, now that's all sorted.

I know what you mean. But, I think forms in English are ok as in airports there can be people from various parts of the world. I don't expect a foreigner travelling to Finland for business or tourism would understand Finnish so, it is always good to have people who speak foreign languages.

Already, the best kept open secret in Finland is that the foreign population has very high unemployment rate. So, this might open doors for a worthy few.

As far as I understand, most of the unemployed foreigners get a chance to learn the language using intensive language courses and speak it better than the high-tech ones who are probably to busy working their ass off in the work environment (In a country, with probably the best IT and communication technology human communication standard is very poor).

So, it would serve good purpose if some so called unemployed "Ulko"#¤"or as the locals say "living on our benefits" would get some work to do. As all the other doors are closed unless one does business which is a different topic altogether.

[onkko]

Foreigns who came here for work dont have high unemployment rate.

[Rick1]

Yes, that is almost the Kokoomus slogan. Finnish people only want the cheries from the pie. Well I got news for you; that is not possible. For the first thing, you have now already many foreigners out of work and for the second thing you have to follow the EU-rules so you cannot do like Switzerland and make your own rules. You wanted so eager to be part of the EU well the future will tell how much you like it, ofcourse pepsodent Stubb will tell you otherwise but the EU wants to be soon involved in the colour underwear you are wearing.

It is not a secret that it is about 30 percent of unemployment under foreigners. Finland is just failing in their education and change of profession that even under their own people soo many people are unemployed. What I mentioned earlier, you should make it more attractive and easier to go to work, e.g. give the employee free bus/train ticket to come to work and do not say it is too expensive for employer because they always have enough money for their fine business cars for example.

[onkko]

Show me who of foreigners are unemployed and explain it then.

[Rick1]

Show me who of foreigners are unemployed and explain it then.

All kind of foreigners, black, white, yellow, small, big etc. Even if they are able to communicate in Finnish they might not find a job.

[Pursuivant]

Nothing to do with the fact theres a few hundred thousand Finns out there unable to find a job either?

[onkko]

Show me who of foreigners are unemployed and explain it then.

All kind of foreigners, black, white, yellow, small, big etc. Even if they are able to communicate in Finnish they might not find a job.

Show statistics.

[Rick1]

Nothing to do with the fact theres a few hundred thousand Finns out there unable to find a job either?

That is what I meant; the employment market is not flexible enough. There is still a lack of certain people for certain jobs. The education should be following that and older people should be quickly re-educated for these jobs instead of importing 'ready' packages from abroad.

This also means that Finnish employers should get more flexible and look more at the possiblities instead of wanting the 'perfect' employee.

Really Finnish Onkko those statistics, statistics is for people who cannot or do not want to think themselves

[Pursuivant]

Now that *is* the "real problem" actually instead of this racism xenophobia blaa blaa blaa - a Finn has none of those excuses to claim when he is told he is too... old/young/ugly/inexpirienced/superexperieced/preggers etc.

Importing the "ready packages" from abroad is what the big business is making their money out of. Usually as the people are no-speak no-understand who can get carted out if they start "demanding" their rights, so a resident no-speak is not an asset as they might be able to find a lawyer.

[Rip]

But, I think forms in English are ok as in airports there can be people from various parts of the world. I don't expect a foreigner travelling to Finland for business or tourism would understand Finnish so, it is always good to have people who speak foreign languages.

It's stated in the announcement:

"Edellytämme hakijoilta täysi-ikäisyyttä ja Suomen tai muun EU-maan kansalaisuutta sekä suomen ja englannin kielen taitoa. Muu kielitaito on eduksi."

= Knowledge of Finnish and English languages required, additional language skills would be nice

So if being able to speak Finnish is mandatory (and show me the country where on the main international airport the security staff does not know the 90%+ majority language of the land), there is no need for English language application forms either. If you can't manage with the Finnish one, then you are obviously not qualified for the job.

[Rick1]

Now that *is* the "real problem" actually instead of this racism xenophobia blaa blaa blaa - a Finn has none of those excuses to claim when he is told he is too... old/young/ugly/inexpirienced/superexperieced/preggers etc.

Yes, he/she just walks away and has another drink No communication wise you Finns still need to learn somethings and not only small talk but also some human factors.

[Rick1]

But, I think forms in English are ok as in airports there can be people from various parts of the world. I don't expect a foreigner travelling to Finland for business or tourism would understand Finnish so, it is always good to have people who speak foreign languages.

It's stated in the announcement:

"Edellytämme hakijoilta täysi-ikäisyyttä ja Suomen tai muun EU-maan kansalaisuutta sekä suomen ja englannin kielen taitoa. Muu kielitaito on eduksi."

= Knowledge of Finnish and English languages required, additional language skills would be nice

So if being able to speak Finnish is mandatory (and show me the country where on the main international airport the security staff does not know the 90%+ majority language of the land), there is no need for English language application forms either. If you can't manage with the Finnish one, then you are obviously not qualified for the job.

Totally agree that you have to be able to communicate in Finnish but in my opinion if it is not a government organisation they are not allowed to demand Finnish or EU-citizenship. But I noticed in Finland that nobody is checking effectively this, age or gender requirements/discrimination.

[catchmeifucan]

Now that *is* the "real problem" actually instead of this racism xenophobia blaa blaa blaa - a Finn has none of those excuses to claim when he is told he is too... old/young/ugly/inexpirienced/superexperieced/preggers etc.

Importing the "ready packages" from abroad is what the big business is making their money out of. Usually as the people are no-speak no-understand who can get carted out if they start "demanding" their rights, so a resident no-speak is not an asset as they might be able to find a lawyer.

I think you do have problem with "ready packages" but think this way, they work, pay taxes, more over big companies make a mojority portion of their profits from abroad too so, is it so painful to see a few professional foreigners working? Why this is perceived by most Finns a foreigner = living on benefits or cheap worker. Finns need to get over this fear and rather harness these resources for their own good.

Finnish managers are quick to recognize the skill level of the employee and provide proper treatment (ofcourse, if u don't ask u don't get).

For the foreign worker ("ready packages"):
Pros:
Better living standard
Comparatively better pay
Possibility to work with top notche technology
Cons:
No public life.
Looked upon as a criminal most of the time.
Frequently "What is that?" (in Finnish ofcourse)

For Finland
Pros:
One more tax payer (it is getting scarce nowadays)
Cons:
General population does not like it.
Fear of loosing the culture (I really have no idea what that is)

[DMC]

By the powers of deduction, I say that 50% of people passing through the border will be returning "home" and so most of these will be... Finns who speak Finnish (or Swedish).

Based on logic, I would say your powers of deduction are faulty. Your logic is flawed and there is no basis for your conclusion.
Based on data, I believe the percentage of people passing through the Finnish border who speak Finnish or Swedish is a lot less than 50%. More than 13 million people used Helsinki airport in 2007. I consider it unlikely that 6.5 million of those spoke Finnish or Swedish.

[Rick1]

What about some going twice or more? I think it should be movement of persons.