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TV buying advice/Recommendations

Post by Jad » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:21 am

Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and new to Finland :D I'd appreciate some advice on buying a TV .. I'm very technically challenged :!: My budget is a 1000 Euros. I'd like the TV to be as big as possible (I love watching movies on a big screen :D ) I'll also be buying Playstation 3, so it has to be compatible with it.

I found this 50'', but it it doesn't say whether it's ''Anteeniverkon'' or ''Kaapeliverkon'' :!: I live in a ''Kaapeli'' house. What do you think :?:



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Post by interleukin » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:20 am

If you want the TV to have an inbuilt tv reciever (otherwise you have to have a digital box separately), you have to make sure it says DVB-C (if you are on Welho cable. If you have another cable provider, ask them which system they use, just in case). DVB-T is easier to find, but that only lets you get the free channels (eg. YLE). It is sometimes hard to find out if the TV has DVB C or T as it proudly says on the box that it has DVB (but not which one, there are more kinds of DVB also but not relevant here).

Another basic thing to think about is the contacts on the back of the TV. The more, the better :) Make sure the TV has at least one HDMI contact, and not just some crappy old-school contact that will not let you transfer the high quality images to the TV. No use buying blu-rays or high-definition content if you loose all the signal on the way out into the TV.
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Post by raamv » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:46 am

I ve been doing some searching and will post here and the another thread on the models.

There are 2 major types of TV types: LCD and Plasma.
LCDs are the ones that were previously used for flat monitors that have now come to be TVs.
Plasma TVs provide very high contrast ratios ( birghtness is high though LCDs are catching up).
With a open, bright room, LCDs look better. ( Plasma TVS are poor when viewed with bright light).
Plasma TVs also consume more electricity than LCDs ( I am omitting a lot of technical details here as even some technically savvy people dont understand the minute differences).
LCD brightness has improved lately with the introduction by SAMSUNG who use the term "LED TV". Other manufacturers use the term "LED backlighting".
Plasma TVs are better at displaying fast moving images, but then LCD TVs have gained a good edge with motion stabilization ( and other techniques) to catch up with Plasmas.
Plasma TVs though will have "burn-in" effect if you pause movies for long times, use computers with it.

Then there is the option of Tuning and display:
A HD Ready TV is able to play movies and DVDs in HD ( 1080 p) but it does NOT display a True HD resolution.
A full HD TV is able to display the images in full/true HD resolution.

If you are mainly using your TV for gaming, then a Plasma is the best option. but make sure that you have plenty of space around the TV so heat is dissipated properly.
The TV that you posted is a FULL HD TV with a Terrestrial tuner ( You need an internal or external DVB-T antenna to tune to local channels). The TV will need an external digibox if you subscribe to Cable TV.
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Post by Karhunkoski » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:35 am

raamv wrote: I am omitting a lot of technical details here as even some technically savvy people dont understand the minute differences

Please don't hold back on the technical details. Please share your knowledge on the subject - it would be good to have lots of info about TVs all in one place. :D
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Post by Adam20540 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:05 pm

Plasma are also cheaper than LCD.
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Post by Jad » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:14 pm

Thanks a lot guys, I am a lot wiser after reading these posts :D

raamv, special thanks to you for the detailed post. I didn't have a clue about LCD/Plasma differences :!: , so thanks for all the info. I'll probably go for LCD .. I didn't like the sound of the ''burn-in'' and the more electricity consumption of the Plasma. Thanks again.

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Post by hanj » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:44 pm

i think LCD is more suited for gaming than plasma....

I think HDMI input is pretty much standard on these TVs nowadays....its just a question of how many inputs

i think the model you looked at didnt mention cable or terrastrial...maybe because it doesnt have a built-in decoder?

generally...plasma has better (blacker) blacks....LCD's black would look grayish if put aside plasmas.
plasma's colour would look more natural, LCD's more vibrant. if you google LCD vs plasma (or vice versa) you'll get plenty of article.
the difference in electrical consumption btwn the 2 types is negligible.
most of the plasma nowadays have the function to prevent burnt-in images....actually even the TV channel logo that are statically displayed can cause burn-in as well
one thing i dislike abt plasma, they tend to have a glossy reflective surface...bad if you have some light source reflecting back at ya.

somehow i have the impression that plasma is not as popular in finland. the top notch plasma would be the pioneer Kuro series......they're expensive...maybe that's why they have stopped production on these. next bet would be the panasonics.

as for the LCDs.....plenty of choices. main players are Sony, Philips, Samsung...and occasionally you'd find Toshiba and Sharp. I personally wont look into LG....not much faith in them. I had problems with the samsung product as well....but its just me.

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Post by raamv » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:18 pm

Karhunkoski wrote:
raamv wrote: I am omitting a lot of technical details here as even some technically savvy people dont understand the minute differences

Please don't hold back on the technical details. Please share your knowledge on the subject - it would be good to have lots of info about TVs all in one place. :D
e.g. All flat screen LCD TVs use back-lit "white" lighting to illuminate the screen. The LCD TVs use Liquid crystals and an electric current is applied to individual LCDs to "turn" and deflect the light => Different angles => Different light ( Based on the laws of dispersion).
In Plasma TVs, the light and color is controlled by individual "matrix" of inert gases ( Argon etc) which emit different light based on applying electric current => DIfferent voltage = different light and a combination of Red, blue and Green is used to produce the white light or black light => extrmely good contrast.
The back-light in LCD generated using 4 different techniques => different kind of TVs.
Generally on a normal LCD TV => its done using a Cold Cathode Florescent (CCFL) lighting.
The next generation Sony Bravia used Hot cathode Florescent lighting and thereby reduces electricity consumption for LCDs twisting.
LED techniques is using an LEDs to illuminate the back-screen either via Edge-LEDs => using LEDS at the edge of the TV screens or
latest is to use a LED matrix( Latest Samsung series 9 ) which has the BEST display for ANY TV as the contrast ratio can be 2 million to 1.
But that is just contrast. LCDs suffer from fast moving pictures as compared to Plasma TVs.
This is because of the lag to twist the LCDs. and is generally overcome using many techniques like motion detection plus, motionflow, 100HZ or 200HZ etc.
Plasma's dont have that issue as it is pretty quick but over time ( 60,000 hours +) they tend to have a burn-in because of the phosphorous elements used for the lighting and lighting fades over that period of time.
LCDs are still required to prove their average mean lifetime.

Quick review:http://www.beststuff.com/audiovideo/rea ... cd-tv.html

some good reviews for comparison for plasma or LCD:
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide ... cd-TV.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/4351-12658_7-6583301.html

Choosing the TV and sizes etc:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f148/

Big-screen forums: http://www.bigscreenforums.com/

Expert reviews:
Best forum for all Hi-fi information: http://www.avsforum.com/
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/
How hi-tech stuff works: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/hd ... hannel.htm

A Nice checklist :
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/checklist.html
and a selector based on some choices:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/selector.php



More about FUll-HD and HD-Ready ( FInnish links)
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p
http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php?t=62091

One of the best place to compare Digital TVs and other electronic items ( Once you have decided on a few models):
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=10


e.g. Sony 46W5500 that I am interested in and looking into when the price becomes a little bit less.
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-364-4903-16.html
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Post by raamv » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:25 pm

hanj wrote:i think LCD is more suited for gaming than plasma....
Wrong, Its the opposite as LCDs are subject to motion flow errors and fast motion is better in a plasma than in an LCD.

I think HDMI input is pretty much standard on these TVs nowadays....its just a question of how many inputs
i think the model you looked at didnt mention cable or terrastrial...maybe because it doesnt have a built-in decoder?
The model clearly shows DVB-T.
generally...plasma has better (blacker) blacks....LCD's black would look grayish if put aside plasmas.
and whites. But LED solves that problem with LCDs.
the difference in electrical consumption btwn the 2 types is negligible.
Over a period of a year, it is pretty significant.
most of the plasma nowadays have the function to prevent burnt-in images....actually even the TV channel logo that are statically displayed can cause burn-in as well
Not that improved. and you cannot use Plasma's as a computer screen or for long pauses. and burn-ins can accelerate if you pause a lot.
one thing i dislike abt plasma, they tend to have a glossy reflective surface...bad if you have some light source reflecting back at ya.
The difference is in the ambient lighting of the room. Plasma's fare poor in a brightly lit room as compare to LCDs.
somehow i have the impression that plasma is not as popular in finland. the top notch plasma would be the pioneer Kuro series......they're expensive...maybe that's why they have stopped production on these. next bet would be the panasonics.
Plasma's are now way cheaper than LCDs.
Top TV maker is Pioneer but only in their HIGH end series. Not sure if you get it in Finland.
Next is Samsung in their 6, 7, 8, 9 series ( NON_LED) and in their LED Series ( 6, 7, 8 and 9. 8 and 9 are not out yet).
Sony has done a great deal of improvement with SW with their Bravia series and have vastly improved the motion and contrast techniques compared to anyone else.


as for the LCDs.....plenty of choices. main players are Sony, Philips, Samsung...and occasionally you'd find Toshiba and Sharp. I personally wont look into LG....not much faith in them. I had problems with the samsung product as well....but its just me.[/quote]
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Post by Pauluss » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:32 pm

Assuming you are not watching TV (and not paying TV tax), projector seems the best option:
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=8210
Last autumn it was EUR100 cheaper, but is still worth a buy.
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Post by Karhunkoski » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:56 pm

Good stuff that raamv, thanks. Links too, plenty of info, and interesting to see that the technology is still improving - think I'll hold out a bit longer before I buy.
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Post by raamv » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:08 am

Karhunkoski wrote:Good stuff that raamv, thanks. Links too, plenty of info, and interesting to see that the technology is still improving - think I'll hold out a bit longer before I buy.
Yes, waiting for a while is the best bet for now if you know what your budget is as prices of these TVs are drastically coming down!! and by Christmas time,it might even be much lower..-
I have a few models in mind (Sony 46W5500, Samsung 46U7070, Sony 4655EW, Sony 46Z5500 etc) But not yet..
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Post by meplusthree » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:16 am

Buying a TV can turn into a very confusing and frustating experience so it is well worth doing your research before going to the shops and make sure you know the differences between the model numbers for a given manufacturer.

As an example Sony has 3 full HD 32" models KDL-32W5500 KDL-32V5500 and KDL-32E5500.
From my research the only diiference between the 'V' and 'W' is that the W has 100hz motion flow system and the W costs 100+€ more. The E model is identical in specs to the W but has a different designer 'box' and cost a lot more than the W.

A couple of reviews I read said that the 100hz motion flow was not worth the extra money and one said he normally left the feature switched off !!

Another word of advice is to check the specs very closely - again using the Sony KDL-32 range as an example, the marketing info in the shops etc says they have DNLA which allows you to watch/listen to photos/music/video stored on your home pc/network. What they dont say is that in the case of videos the number of formats it will play is very limited - I believe to formats only used by home video cameras - you can not for example watch videos in the popular DIVX/XVID format !!

Also be a little wary of the 'eco-flower' /energy saving marketing - in order to aceive some of the energy savings you have to run the TV in 'eco mode' which may reduce the brightness , quality etc of the picture !.

One final coment is that I was a bit wary about buying a full HD tv because in all the shops the picture quality for normal 'over the air' TV looked worse than my old TV. However the quality achieved at home using Antenna is very good.

I ended up with the KDL-32V5500 - bought a shop ex-demo model with full waranty saving about 200€ on normal shop price.

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Post by Upphew » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:18 pm

About plasma tvs: check the resolution before you get one. They used to use 1024x768 resolution, which doesn't have square pixels which might impact its use as a monitor for xbox or ps.
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